ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Kylos story arc is ahead of hers because of what we know about him and the fact he is sitting atop the FO at the end of TLJ. It makes perfect sense then that Rey will have more of the story in ROS because we need that to understand what will happen next. Perhaps another reason for KOR, Sith troopers, and even Palps to return. Kylo may not have much of a story but still will factor into the endgame. This all sounds like it is adding up to a real plan here.

 

I dunno. I would assume so.

 

That's what I think is going to happen. JJ is a derivative kind of filmmaker. Vader had the most screen time in RotJ in the OT, but still pretty significantly less screen time than the heroes. And yeah, he was a major factor in Act III, in the endgame.

I kind of assume that Rey + the heroes will search for the mcguffin parallel to Kylo searching for it, but with much more adventure time on their end with brief scenes on Kylo's end, and then the story reveals for both Kylo and Rey will converge in the same story in endgame... just like with Vader and Luke in RotJ. The only reason to bring in more backstory for Rey is to tie her to Kylo and Sheev and the Skywalkers in some way, so that there is a personal, emotional stake for Rey at the end. Whatever Kylo's story is, it's all about Rey at it's core. That's how JJ writes protagonists, even if it's not how RJ did it.

 

I don't see why it's objectionable to say Jason Ward is not some neutral party. He runs a monetized site in order to capitalize on spoilers. He's essentially running a business. (Note: not judging him at all on the money bit... I'd love to be able to make money running a blog). If he actually is 100% unbiased and this is all the information he has, than the logical conclusion to me is that he doesn't really have a great source on the movie as a whole.

ETA: Though I guess another conclusion could be that he is putting the info out in bits and pieces and we will get more about the Resistance side later... ties into the MSW "running a business" thing.

 

I stopped clicking the MSW links when he put out the big quotation compilation and flubbed the DR reylo quotation (and added a disclaimer to not freak out about it). Dude is biased.

Just look at how they walked back Mara's relationship with Lando. "It was just a mission!" Like she wouldn't be good enough for Luke if she had a thing with Lando first

 

To be fair, many of them look to Rey as a self insert just for Reylo, which is even worse


Edit: why is everyone complaining about these leaks? We’re finally getting plot details.

 

From the latest SW insider.

 

What a ridiculous stretch that article is

 

OMG I wish I hadn't read that.

 

Pretty much what a lot of us fans who have been less angry with the ST have been saying about how we see some of the character dynamics between them.

This seems to happen a lot. The extended edition and many of Johnson’s Q&A responses were very similar to what myself and some other posters had been sharing about how we saw VIII, even before he confirmed his intentions as such.

It’s not rocket science. These character choices either work for you or they don’t. If they don’t it may be because you saw the characters differently than the writers. If they do work for you then it may the because you saw the characters similarly. I also don’t think it’s coincidental that many of these writers were not Legends fans & that many of the people I know who love the ST alongside me aren’t legends fans either. Imagining how these people might be decades later strictly off of traits seen in the earlier movies and projecting issues onto them from there brought me closer to the possibility of the ST. Even before I saw it. Not going on earlier adventures with them from Legends obviously helped that too.

 

Not sure how I feel about Rey taking the spectator role when it comes to Kylo Ren and Han Solo. I think it really invalidates her agency.

Although it does make me think of a certain rumor regarding Han Solo that set the fanbase on fire not too long ago and wondering what would happen if was true.

 

No doubt that article that treats Rey like an afterthought represents the views of a lot of TLJ fans lol.

 

And Han wasn't the one who thought Kylo could come back, Leia was. Han died for Leia, not Ben. Watching Kylo skewer Han is not a point in favor of Rey's mad dash to save Ben's soul.

 

No wonder Solo was such a flop. What was Lucasfilm thinking making a movie about a piece of trash like Han Solo?

*Sorry... feeling extra salty right now.

 

Rey knows that Ben is Leia’s son though and that she wanted him back if possible. She came to believe that with her effort that was possible and that bringing Luke back was no longer possible.

 

How do we know Rey knows that Leia wants him back? They met right after Kylo brutally killed her husband.

 

It’s not that hard to infer from the ending of TFA.

 

This is basically the theme for all arguments that exist because of reylo.

 

Considering 24 hours later Leia is saying he is gone, I don't think that can be inferred at all.

 

She hears from Luke his story and Leia’s concerns and how Leia thought Snoke must have twisted his heart but realizes the role Luke played in this. She’s in the middle of this family drama between all 3 and thinks she’s found the solution and breakthrough to this ongoing family strife.

Without a family of her own to fix any more it’s possible she thought she could fix theirs and that she’d made the breakthrough that others hadn’t with him due to being the outsider.

 

This is also a theme - the inferences generally aren't textually supported at all lol.

 

Well, Rey had clearly given up on him at that point too. Realizing how she’d misread the vision as him coming back when them fighting together and him killing Snoke instead of her was only about him trying to get her to become his Space Empress.

So, the more recent developments and seeing him there herself and possibly even sensing the dark side there and so little of the light left it’s logical for both Leia and Rey to be less optimistic overall of his chances. Same for the audience. Which was how Johnson wanted you to feel about it all by the end. Luke has more hope than anyone again and restores some of that in others. Perhaps Yoda told him who she really is? Rey and Ben realize they hadn’t quite made as much progress on recruiting the other and figuring out what makes them tick as well as they thought they did.

 

It's not easy to infer at all. Leia sends Rey to bring Luke back, not to bring Kylo back. It's a huge leap to imagine they discussed a hypothetical situation in which Rey ships herself directly to Kylo, as she is supposed to find Luke and follow the beacon straight back to Leia.

 

A lot of Star Wars is hoping for plan A and resorting to Plan B though. It’s part of Star Wars DNA to work toward one thing and that not to go exactly as planned and then go with the second best option available. She saw a possibly improving Ben Solo, based on how he was behaving and listening to her and comforting her, as someone she’d gotten through to and once the vision of the future happened she was mislead by it as many Star Wars characters have been before.

They set it up beautifully for some of us.

He wants the saber. Luke fosses it.

He offers to teach her the ways of the Force. Luke doesn’t want to teach ever again.

The Force seems to want them to talk to each other (from her perspective). Luke doesn’t want to talk at all.

He tells her Luke feared his powers and came to kill him. Luke sees the rock crack and likens her powers to his and tells her it didn’t scare him before but does now.

He tells her Luke read his mind in his sleep and acted on that. She senses Luke above her as she sleeps.

What he tells her is close to true (from his perspective) and Luke later shares that there is truth to it.

He is the Resistance leader’s son. She sent Han to get him before. The Resistance Leader now sent her to get her brother but maybe the son will do instead.

Maz said that by taking the saber someone might come back. He seems closer to coming back in her talks than Luke does.

She gets a vision likely of Snoke being killed instead of her and them working together. She gets no assurance from Luke that he will change his mind.
She’s read his mind and knows what’s inside. Luke remains an enigma to her.