ST Rian Johnson Responds to Fan Backlash...

Again why should Johnson, KK Lucasfilm or Disney have any regrets? The film is a success. It would very dangerous to kowtow because of a temper tantrum from a small part of the fanbase

 

I haven't posted in a while. Things sure look different!
I saw TLJ on opening day. I had zero sleep the night before due to chronic insomnia. Anyway, I watched the movie, gave the appropriate responses Rian was going for, etc. But now it's about 2 weeks later and I barely remember anything at all about the movie. I remember Leia doing her amazing space walk, and a few other things. Was the movie that packed with stuff? The pace was lightspeed-fast, I remember that.

 

The rt score isn't manipulated. Read the actual reviews. Those are real people. It also lines right up with the poll on these forums. Search youtube. Are those bots too?

40% of fans is not a small part of the fanbase

 

Yes. And again the people complaining online are highly exaggerating how widespread there opinions are. Haters are going to hate and griping online is one of the first places they go to so of course message boards and comment sections are going to be full of haters. TFA received a heck of a lot of hate as well in those same avenues.

 

And if you read the reviews for TFA you'll find just as much hate there as well. The simple fact is is the audience voting system is easily manipulated. You can vote as many times as you want. Heck you don't even have to refresh your page to vote again. A person could easily vote a couple hundred times in probably ten minutes or less.

 

I totally ignore the people that say "this movie ******!" without them giving a single example of why they feel that way.

 

France and Spain must also be bots.

Current user scores
Filmaffinity (Spain): 6.4 out of 10
Allocine (France): 2.8 out of 5
Rotten Tomatoes: 3.1 out of 5 (51% liked)
Metacritic: 4.7 out of 10
IMDb: 7.6 out of 10 (tied with Revenge of the Sith for the third worst rated movie out of 9 SW live-action movies)

I also don't know why it's assumed that the idea of vote-stuffing can only go one way (negative) and not the other way by the folks positive on something.

 

Not true. TFA is what, 88% and filled with glowing reviews outnumbering the negative reviews. Opposite for the last jedi.

And you can't vote more than once. It only registers 1 vote per account

Again, the rt score represents the % of people offering a review of 3.5 or higher. Again, one review per account

 

TFA had a 6.9 rating on Filmaffinity
TFA had a rating of 3.7 on Allocine
TFA had a rating of 8.1 on IMDB.

The scores aren't terribly different from TFA and TLJ on those sites. And then we have the RT score which is that much lower. And people are trying to say it wasn't manipulated?

 

TFA received almost a hundred one star or less reviews in the first ten pages as well. And yes you can vote more than once. If you say you can't than you simply havn't checked it out. Each time you click on it it says score posted.

 

Which doesn't mean it was registered. Do some research into the site

 

Where on Earth are you getting this 40% number. I assume it is just something you are making up.

 

From the poll on this board as well as others. So sorry, not made up.

 

I think you might need to do some research into the site. Even the owner of the site doesn't even bother with the audience score. Infact in an article about TLJ released by RT a while back they brought up the audience scores of other sites but didn't mention anything at all about their own. What does that tell you about how valid they think their audience score is?

 

And you can't use any poll on this site (or any other online poll for that matter) to say how liked or disliked a certain movie is. Unless of course you are choosing to live in a bubble where message boards and comment sections fill up your entire world.

 

Lol, whatever. The site made it clear that their audience vote was accurate and not trumped up.

Funny, the audience response was the gold standard 2 years ago by people here showing that people liked tfa, but now we shouldn't believe it because it goes against your narrative. Sorry it doesn't line up with your view.

Research into how rt works is clear, one vote per user is registered

 

Lol, then how do you suppose to gauge whether it is liked or disliked? By your bubble alone?

Look, when multiple areas in multiple countries relate a consistent 60/40 split, that is safe to take as the response.

 

Only if you want to assume that online polls are in anyway accurate to how the overall audience rates a movie. The only way you could make a judgement like that with anykind of accuracy is if you say that the movie is mixed amongst the hardcore audience. You have no way of knowing how others feel because the non hardcore fans generally don't go to online polls to vote.

And given that the hardcore audience only takes up a rather small percentage of the fan base you have no way of knowing what the overall consensus is even if the feelings amongst the hardcore audience is mixed. I've been saying all along the movie is mixed among the hadcore audience but is being received much better with the more casual fans.

 

I think The Brothers Bloom is a really good film. But it comes from the line of screwball comedies that runs from Preston Sturges to Wes Anderson. I love Sturges (other than his convoluted endings) and Anderson. But would I want them to direct Star Wars movies?

 

TLJ is both a critical success and box office success.

Youtube and twitter comments don't factor into the equation for LFL.

 

RT isn't just hardcore fans. It is access to all moviegoers. As are the sites in other countries

 

Honestly, I remember seeing close to this amount of complaint and backlash by certain fans after TFA came out as well.

Then a few months later, after its theater run had finished, it mostly all died out.

I'm sure the same will happen here. I myself was kind of like "What the @$#? did I just watch!?" after I saw TLJ, and it took me days to figure out if I hated it or loved it. And just the way LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring did for me all those years ago, the overwhelming film grew on me as time passed-and now I actually quite enjoy it-I think. I need to see it again LOL...

 

Hardcore fans are the ones that will go to the trouble of rushing to online polls and message boards after they see something to say how they feel about it. General Audience members have more times than not moved on to something else immediately after the movies are over.

 

What I am noticing is that a lot of people posting complaints now aren't regular posters. They are just on here posting their reactions to the movie right now. Then probably a week or so from now they will start to go away and the regular posters will be left to talk about it.

 

I didn't realize jumanji, Ferdinand, coco, Molly's game, et al had hardcore fans