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After the latest Bad Batch episode, i really wonder what the relationship between the Zeffo, Rakata and the emerging Jedi Order was like in ancient times.

Think it's clear that the Ancients were the Zeffo, considering the architecture, the puzzles, how the mech looked like and how it attacked.

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Actually, while canon has Zeffo as ancient folks, I would not tie the latest Bad Batch episode stuff to them at all. The writing in the temple-droid'S walls with its pictographs and the entire thing did not give me any Zeffo vibes at all. Sure its head-shape looked vaguely Zeffo-ish, but that's it about that.

Overall the puzzles reminded me more of a Rakatan Force Temple on Lehon from KOTOR which did have some puzzle riddles to solve. Or Massassi Yavin IV ones below the Great Temple in Jedi Knight games Jedi Academy.

But that aside, the entire episode and giant droid angle gave me other thoughts:

What if this is an Abominor?

We know Abominor like Silentium can grow limitless in size to spaceship etc. sizes even. And given its volatile destructive nature, Abominor makes sense. While some architectonic choices may one get Zeffo ideas, I think for Zeffo some corridors and doors were too small but similarities in design may speak of a contemporary time to them possibly.

As I so far date the Zeffo ascend during the Rakatan Empire and their golden age and fall after the Rakatan Empire's demise, right before the young Core World Republic set out to explore and expand into the galaxy, we could look at a timeframe from 30000-20000BBY. Given the episodes emphasis on pre-Jedi/Republic times, I'd say this is rather during than after the Rakatan Empire. While giant droids were common during the time of Xim the Despot, too, I am not sure if giant droids that double as temple/ship were, but this is also an angle to pursue perhaps.

We know droid barges in space were one way for generational ships or hypersleep pod ships to get around in slower or before hyperdrive times. Maybe the same people that build droid spacecraft built droids one can walk around inside planetbased. Maybe this was a war-robot, maybe it was a terraforming robot even and only doubled as a war weapon.


Now back to your original question: I think the Rakatan Infinite Empire was dotted and not continous given their homing in on Forcestrong worlds only with their Forcebased Hyperdrive and Forcehounds. and from those they spread outward to neighboring worlds and systems but not far and wide to have a continous territory. So in between many other cultures thrived and existed, like Herglic Space, or the Zeffo. Sooner or later some got into contact with Rakata though and either got the knowledge of the Force or were enslaved. The Zeffo took a turn toward the Dark Side and expanded on their own, probably warring with the Rakata given they took over some of their former worlds like Kashyyyk after its Rakatan terraforming to giant tree mode, which the Zeffo loved and memorized in stone on their other worlds even in murals as per Fallen Order lore. While the Zeffo outlived the Rakatan demise, their doom came later. Had they had contact with the emergent Jedi Order? Maybe but unclear as those were focussed on the Core Worlds and around Ossus and the Tion mostly in those days.

The big questionmark though still is this: The Zeffo used aside their own picrographic writing system the Old Tongue, aka ur-kittat, a precurser for many other inuniverse writing systems, including Sith kittat from Korriban as well as Aurebesh of the Rakata. Thus the Old Tongue, a galaxy unfiying language/writing system used before the ascend and invention of Basic and Aurebesh, was used by the Zeffo specifically to be understood by non-Zeffo they interacted with. Given the heavy use in their temples, that must have been common. Did they use slaves or were they that well connected? Why not just use Aurebesh of the Rakata which was equally well spread already? Given the Old Tongue predates the Rakata and Zeffo, the Zeffo must stem from an even older line of well connected galactic culture that used and spread it. Which one was that? More ancient than the ancients? It kinda is as if the Rakata with their Aurebesh rebelled against the Old Tongue and the Zeffo kept it alive as their forbears would have wanted, if so the Old Tongue maybe is a Celestial thing or one that united the servant species of those.

 

Vader killed Sabé and all the handmaidens before they overstayed and infected his comic series.

 

Lol. And what about the Daala-knockoff Zahra in the main title? Just like SCAR Squad and Queen Trios overstaying their welcome in the 2015 line.

 

They weren't this bad.

 

Well, she was completely absent during the War of the Bounty Hunters crossover and is seemingly dead already.

 

Rumour has it she isn't. Then again we do have a Romodi clone running around atm. Maybe she can be a clone that Daala can kill over and over for us.

 

And Vader can kill Sabé over and over again while saying "This is my comics series and you're not Padmé dammit no matter what the cover artists want people to think".

 

And what is wrong with him?

 

Aside from being dead at Yavin. He was near Tarkin and Bast in the shadows seconds before Death Star went boom.

 

That could be any random Imperial bald guy.

 

Who looks very very VERY alike the original actor for Romodi

 

Somehow...Romodi has returned.

 

Don't see a body, might not be dead

 

The Sith Statues on Dromuund Kaas are actually Sithspawn based on warping silicon based life, including warping their physical form to look like statues of humans.

 

Why especially these ones? Considering that Sith Alchemy was a lot more common in the time before the Great Hyperspace War.

Why didn't they do this on Korriban and Ziost?

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TFA/TLJ never even presented the planet as lost, just the location of the temple.

It's probobly like Troy; the city was lost and consigned to legend, but nobody forgot where Anatolia was.

I'm pretty sure the shot with Romodi in the overbridge is'nt late enough in the battle that he can't have resonably been believed to escape.

 

Romodi went to go to the refresher and never came back

 

Just like my father!

Waitwhat?

 

Good question. Out of universe, it is just because the statues were invented for one game and never really caught on for whatever reason.

In-universe, I think I see some possibilities

1) The statues were the product of a particular sith lord who didn't share the knowledge, so the technique died with them.

2) The dromund kaas temple is a unique dark side vergence that allowed for such things to be created. (or to be effective with the anti-blaster effect).

3) Similar statues did exist in Korriban and Ziost, but were destroyed over the years while dormund kaas being more hidden allowed them to survive until Mara Jade arrived.

1) Is probably the most likely answer since a lot of sithspawn seem to be one offs reflecting the eccentricity of the one who made them, but 3 is my favorite answer since it would excuse them showing up elsewhere like say in the star wars rpg I might run in the future.

 

They should have used such statues in TROS when Rey or Ben approaches...

Now imagine light side versions of such statues that guard the Jedi Temple or an ancient site... kinda like Hogwarts statues that upon command went to defend the castle!

I mean, if Iron Knights can be powered by Shard-Kyber, those statues can be powered by Holocrons or Kyber of the former Jedi they depict as well!

 

Durga the Hutt was inspired by Tyber Zann’s hijacking of the Eclipse.

Overlord Ghorin was a lazy administrator because the nutcase High Inquisitor Mox Slosin basically pacified his sector all on his own.

Palpatine outlawed the name “Cosigna” from being applied to any future generations.

 

In Legends Anakin Force Ghost looks like Sebastian Shaw because in some EU Stories Anakin Force Ghost looks like Sebastian Shaw and for me the despecialized Versions of the OT are the Legends Versions of the Movies

ROTS Video Game and Novel is the Canon Version of the Movie in Legends everything happen except the Anakin vs Mace Duel

The reason why Boneyard City on Planet Nox in Dawn of the Jedi looks too technologically advanced it is because Legends always has high technology in Tales of the Jedi we do not see the entire Galaxy only a part of it thats is why when in KOTOR only a few years after Tales of the Jedi the Galaxy has more advanced technology some are surprised but in reality in Legends always has been technology since before the Old Republic the Kwa had high technology too all before the Rakata

Han Solo joined the Rebellion in Legends to honor the memory of Bria Tharen Luke and Leia they also lost someone Luke lost Owen, Beru and Biggs Leia lost Bail Organa, Breha Organa and all Alderaan so the three of them needed each other

 

Canon-headcanons:
Until inevitably proven otherwise, I'm choosing to believe that Rey stuck around on Tatooine after TRoS, joined the Tuskens, and led them in reclaiming their planet.

Because Boba destroyed Jango's helmet in his Mace Windu revenge plot, his helmet, unlike the rest of his armour, isn't the original beskar. Instead, it's a durasteel copy that's (relatively) easily dented.

Boba blamed Jabba and his theatrical, personal execution of Han, Luke, and Chewie for his ending up in the Sarlacc, and this is where the kernel of his "being a better crime boss" turn in Book starts.