Sith Magic Vs. Force Powers

Exactly.

 

Hmm most Jedi are no way NEAR as lucky as Han, so I think it's down to something more than having just "a few more midichlorians than the rest". If Han's little amount of midi-chlorians were enough to give him the huge edge he has, then Jedi would be pretty much invincible.

I see a difference between strength in the Force and Force sensitivity. So, for me, Han Solo would be one of those rare individuals who - though he has a decent (if not amazing) Force presence surrounding him, he never manifested the midi-chlorians neccessary to directly tap into it (for whatever reason). He's not sensitive to it so much as protected by it... so, hmm, yeah, that's my in universe explanation for the character shield.

I've gone off it recently, but I read some good ideas a couple of years ago about midi-chlorians being only one part of Force sensitivity, and that one also required an "active nub". Individuals, like Han, who were exceedingly lucky, were those who had very high midi-chlorian counts but "inactive nubs"...

 

Well, Jedi are pretty much invincible in comparison to the regular guy. In any case, maybe the Force just manifests itself differently in those who are more Force sensitive. They give up the luck in order to gain other abilities. Or by using the Force consciously they might give up the subconscious elements such as having incredible 'luck'.

But I like the idea of the active and inactive nubs. Never really considered it that way.

 

Han has a strong destiny. He's not a Jedi, but the Force has plans for him. "Somebody up there likes him," so to speak. I don't think it has anything to do with midichlorian count. It's the Will of the Force. To say that, for example, Wilhuff Tarkin wasn't pleasing in the extreme to the dark side of the Force just because he wasn't a Sith would make you raise an eyebrow, no?

 

Han's a lot more alive than the majority* of the dead Jedi.

Zahn explained something about this didn't he? About "background noise" and how if you focus on powers then you lose the insight of the Force? Since the "lucky" individuals don't have any overt Force powers whatsoever, perhaps their luck and "insight" is as highly attuned as it can be in them...

You'll find the proper explanations at this blog:

http://blogs.starwars.com/mei

Start with "Midi-chlorians Part I" obviously It's good stuff.

And, BobaMatt, at the minute I would tend to agree with your interpretation.


*Of course, we have to take Anakin Solo into account

 

Perhaps "luck" is the same deal for everybody: the Will of the Force. Sure Han's luckier than a lot of Jedi, but both he and Obi-Wan are luckier than a lot of smugglers. They're lucky because they're heroes, and it's their destiny to do great things. Everyone plays their role.

 

As far as the whole magic/sith magic thing, I would like to think that it is somewhat seperate from the Force, or at least seperate from traditional Force traditions, but the person still has to have some level of force sensitivity to use their magic. The Sith had their magic and spells before the first fallen Jedi ever found them, but they already knew how to use the Force to varying degrees as well.

As far as Ewok magic, I would assume that it would work the same way. The the witches of Dathomir was started by an exiled Jedi, so we know that they are using the force to achieve their magic spells.

 

Separate from traditional Force traditions, and seemingly separate from more conventional ways of communing with the Force. I pretty much agree with the rest of the post, too.

 

Maybe Han is actually the Chosen One, but he doesn't believe in any of that "Hokey" stuff so he doesn't try to use it. The millions of midichlorians in his body are just screaming "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE!" and he is replying "Hokey religions are no match for a blaster at my side."

Carnage

 

He DID kill the Emperor...

 

Makes sense. I mean, it was he that actually killed the Emperor, after all...

edit: Dammit, Ulicus...I hate when posts go through at the same time.

 

This Luck and Will of the Force thing adds a whole new dimension to fanboy battles.
If you compare Boba Fett and Han, most Boba fans would say: "Boba Fett has mandy-armour, weapons all over his body, death squad super-duper karate training and he never gives up! Han is just this drunk guy with a lot of kids and a stuffed wookiee. Boba will mop the floor with him!"

But all Bobas ownage would ammount to exactly kriff next to Hans unbeatable luck. Because if Boba should have a change of heart and decide to attack Han, it would probably happen on the same day that the warranty on Boba's mandy-armour expires. And coincidentally it is also the same day that Mace Windu posesses a wampa to finish what he started in AotC. Mace goes vorpal on the now armour-less Boba, and they both fall in to the Sarlacc before Han even realises he was in danger.

Oh man, this luck thing is great, it will spell certain doom to feat wars, because Han just wins by default. If SW consisted of fanboy dream-battles, Luck would be KJA's ultimate super weapon.

 

Basically, Han is Batman without needing preparation time.

 

Han is Bruce Wayne's Twinner.

 

I see him more as a John McClane.

 

And BobaMatt Too..


HAHAHA! Awesome. So it's settled. Let the retcons begin!

Carnage

 

Sarcastic or not, I'd like you both to direct your attention to my sig.

 

Your sig is irrevelent.

Han killed him, the Jedi just made sure he stayed dead

 

KRIFF, Ulicus. I was, again, just about to type the very same thing, and then, just to be sure, decided to check your post.

 

Not necessarily. He's had the opportunity to kill him many times, but has always decided in favour of letting him live.

Of course, that probably plays into the whole Will of the Force angle as well...

 

How many of those are times where it's the Force's will that the bounty on Han be significantly larger for a live Han than a dead Han.

And Ulicus/BobaMatt, it means that the Jedi did all the work (which is maybe what you're getting at). Han got a lucky shot at a sick old man's back. He didn't survive any Dark Side onslaught of offensive force. He shot Palpatine in the back while he was lunging for Anakin, and the Jedi did the rest. End of story. And I think he recognizes it, when was the last time you heard Han brag about "killing the Emperor"?

 

Are you sure you're not Ulicuus?

True that. I quite like the idea that the main reason the Force Ghosts don't show up so much is that they've got their hands full keeping the lock and key on spectral Palpatine... and, hey, since he HAS already returned, I've got no problems with him returning again and again...

Oh, and a spectral battle between ghost Anakin Skywalker and ghost Palpatine would be sweeeet...

I could say the same about Skywalker Snr. except it was more of a lucky grab...

Didn't have to. We've established that Han is lucky.

Fixed.

You think he WANTS to invalidate his brother-in-laws father's sacrifice? Think of the family arguments! I'm sure Han recognises his true identity as the Chosen One, and will be ready to Backshoot Jacen when the need arises... probably Krayt too.

I mean, your argument fails in disproving Han's identity as the Chosen One - as if it succeeds then it also, default, disproves Anakin's identity as the Chosen One, which is G-Canonically Impossible

 

I guess it would be funnier if Brand hadn't died. Han is not going to go around defiling his sacrifice. Watching Han walk around telling people that the Emperor wasn't that tough would have been much cooler.

Carnage

 

I was never trying to disprove Han's Chosen One-ness. I was merely pointing out that in the grand scheme of things, and without reading into some bizarre, subjective, subtext, Han did very little towards actually defeating the Emperor once and for all. It didn't have to be Han that killed him. It could've been one of the Jedi. Leia could've pulled a plaster on him. Jar Jar could have tap-danced over to Onderon and tripped and crushed the life out of Palpatine. Luke could've killed him. Kyle could've shown up. Some ancient Sith Lord could have used some crazy power that would somehow kill Palpatine at that exact point in time. Vader's charred, twisted remnants could've come to finish what he started. R2 could have arc-welded him to death. 3P0 could've talked him to death. Anakin Solo could have probably picked him up and slammed him into the ground fatally despitr being only a few minutes old.

Han was in the right place at the right time, but he was not integral to Palpatine's demise. Chosen One or not, he was not integral.