Slug Weapons

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BRING IT ON!!!!!!

 

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Look at me! I'm writing a race ina KJA novel! Set up the assault course!



...sorry, had to

 

"The length of a weapon's barrel has more to do with long range accuracy than the amount of powder used"

I'm aware of that, yeah. The extended barrel means that there's more rifling present to stabilize the bullet's spin, thereby increasing effective range. Yep, I know.

"A silencer operates by trapping escaping gases at the muzzle and prevents the rapidly expanding gas from causing a "sonic boom."

I'm aware of the physics behind this, too... My main point which I didn't really clarify though, was that even though you can deal with the noise produced by the gas, the sound of a round hitting supersonic is also an issue. The only way to counter that is to use specialized subsonic ammunition, aye? Either dump some of the powder and replace with filler (to keep the weight similar and therefore keep the bullet balanced) or to use "heavy" rounds which are more massive and therefore won't be accelerated to such high speeds.

Both of those options, however, do limit effective range, don't they?

As for the exploding slugs being like HEAT or even HEAP rounds, I'm not sure that they were. From the descriptions I've seen, the explosive clips used were basically regular bullets that had had the lead cores removed and replaced (at least partially) with detonite, essentially making the things small shaped charges that would explode upon impact. I imagine that would make more noise than the kind of round you're suggesting.

Anyway, that's kinda beside the point. I was just trying to say that an exploding round (of the "Shaped charge" kind as opposed to the "HEAT" kind will alert the enemy to the presence of an assault force. Now someone made the argument that "They might still see the bodies" which is valid in certain situations. But what if they don't see the bodies?

Scenario: A Republic/Alliance SpecForce Infiltrator unit approaches an Imperial field garrison from the west. The western perimeter sentries (Let's say two or something) are eliminated simultaneously and using weapons that do not break stealth discipline. Now sure, if someone just happens to see the downed Stormtroopers (Or Imperial SpecMissions troopers or whatever they are), then the whole thing's a mess. But if not, what's to stop the unit from moving in further, perhaps quietly neutralizing the command staff, and then exiting back the way they came, all without alerting anyone else?

If you used a round that exploded on impact, you'd give away your presence, and bring the entire garrison's complement down on you.

Again, that was the point I was basically trying to make, and I'm not sure it was clearly drawn up.

 

Yes, we agree. The "shaped" aspect of the detonite acts just like a HEAT round.

Why do you think it is "shaped," as oppposed to a radius burst like a grenade? The explosion sends a jet of superheated gas and metal on through to the target.

Regarding your mission example, one size does not fit all. A rebel Specforce trooper hiding 800m away isn't going to be too worried about charging the Imperial Compound, eh?

This trooper would have a specific target to take out(ie Moff in armored speeder, shield generator controls) and then disapear, or stay and wreck havoc on the search team.

Of course, if the rebel's mission is to inflitrate an Imperial Compound, the last thing you want to do is start blasting everything before you even get inside...

For this you would use the ultra-silent Magna-Caster, or a Vac-Blade.

I guess it comes down to using the right tools for the job.



EDIT: Reap, that is just wrong on so many levels... Although at first, I thought you were posting "Dark Slug's mad clone army.."

Lets see, there is Dark Slug, then Sluug, followed by Slugg, and finally the evil Slugboth....

 

What are Magna-Casters and Vac-Blades ?

 

Yep, it's settled. slug throwers are the weapon of choice for Jedi hunters.

Mini-gun - $8,250
5000 rounds of cortosis bullets - $500,000

The look on Jedi Master Ki-Ima-Deadie's face as he gets riddled full of holes...

...priceless.

 

Even,

The Frohad Galactic Firearms Inc., Magna-Caster is a completely silent magnetic dart gun.

It has less range and does less damage than a blaster or a slug thrower, but the "silent" part comes in handy for certain missions...I imagine in wouldn't be too hard to tip the darts with some sort of knock-out drug either...

Vac Blades are wrist mounted disc launchers. the discs, of course, are razor sharp and each blast lets fly 3 discs. I believe that each launcher holds 30 discs.

All of these cool weapons can be found in the Specforce, Rules of Engagement handbook.

It is jam packed with info:

Specforce operations, tactics, weapons, units, etc..


EDIT: Genghis- I'm surprised that Durge didn't have two of those that popped out of his torso..(or did he... <groan>...

 

Why can't they just use a silencer on their slug weapons?

 

Mr44...
"Genghis- I'm surprised that Durge didn't have two of those that popped out of his torso..(or did he..."

 

uhhh Val?

Did you see the whole prior thread discussing silencers?

Besides, I guess it is cool to have the neatest toys..... The Specforce handbook does mention how the Rebel Quartermaster can't keep any Magna-Casters in stock..

 

As I recall dartshooters, shoots a dart at such power it kills, but with less damage. If you killed someone in public well it's rather obvious when the fall to the ground. Even if you modified it so that it only stunned them in public, well it still rather obvious as they fall to the ground, and your trying to drag away their limp body.

As for damage by the slug thrower that's based on the size of the caliber, IIRC.

"Vac Blades are wrist mounted disc launchers. the discs, of course, are razor sharp and each blast lets fly 3 discs. I believe that each launcher holds 30 discs."

That's not much different than a sith lanvarok, really.

 

"Regarding your mission example, one size does not fit all."

Certainly not. I was making no such suggestion. I was merely getting the impression that an argument was being made which suggested that there "since someone would see the bodies, anyway" that there was no need, whatsoever, to have a weapon that was quiet all around - as in the actual round traveling, the impact, the sound of the gun firing, etc. etc.

I simply tried to give an example of a situation where making no noise whatsoever could be beneficial. That's all.

As for the range argument, obviously, yes, a quiet weapon effective at long range would be absolutely devastating, but I've never seen one... at least not in the SW universe. The Alliance modified SH-9 (commonly referred to - at least amongst a lot of the role-playing-gamers I know - as a "nickel-plated sissy pistol") certainly wouldn't have an 800 meter range.

Anywho, magna casters are good. Unfortunately, the Aquatic jockeys always tend to grab those first. Quartermaster never has enough for the Infie crowd, and so they/we are always stuck with those AWFUL (did I mention they were nickel-plated-sissy pistols?) SH-9s.

 

There is one instance I can think of offhand where a slugthrower could outpower a blaster - if the GFFA has some sort of equivalent to the railgun from the movie "Eraser." Then I don't care what the stormies are wearing, unless it's a few centimeters of quantum armor they and the next ten guys behind them are toast

 

Actually, the GFFA does have an equivelent to a railgun. A real-life railgun uses electro-magnetic energy to accelerate metal rods to the speed of sound (the US Navy is developing one of these railguns).

In the Arms and Equipment Guide from WOTC, there is a Verpine weapon that does just this. I forgot what its called at this moment.

Just think, a New Republic commando rounds the corner and starts blazing away at some Vong with a railgun. The force of the impact would be so great that the armor wouldn't be able to hold. Mashed vong

That's just my crazy fantasy though...

 

I would think also that with the GFFA's technology they could make a damn good rifle if it put some effort into it.

Certainly they could make it lighter and stronger and they could probably find a better accelerant then anything we have.

Of course that's just limiting it to what we understand of slug throwers(I wonder if it's possible to 'rifle' a massdriver )

 

Here we go, A Verpine Shatter Gun

from the Arms and Equipment guide:

"Created by the insectoid Verpine, the shatter gun is a unique, expensive, and extremely fragile item. It fires a stream of metallic projectiles suspended in a magnetic field and accelerated to just under the speed of sound. The resullt is a weapon with a soundless discharge but a high kinetic punch."

 

Imperial stormtrooper armor is supposed to be capable of shrugging off bullets and shrapnel like they were nothing.

But that thing on Endor sure was unusual... Apparently rocks and arrows can defeat stormtrooper scout armor...
*rolls eyes*

Actually, it hit the body glove, not the armor itself.

As for the slug weapons in SW, the ones found in the EGWT are pretty stupid examples, I've seen in the RPG material pistols with as high a refire rate as a frickin' G36, thats not a primitive weapon by any measure.

As for Jedi hunters using slughthrowers, I wonder about that really, you'd think in 25.000 years someone, somewhere would have used it, especially if a bunch of fans on a webboard can come up with the idea.

 

What puzzled me is, why haven't they thought of using slug weapons against the Vong..?

 

Since nobody else has said it (that I have noticed), and I know he is waiting for someone to comment (I would be)....

ReaperFett, that was darn funny! hehe

The only thing I have to add to the conversation at this point....It's called a magazine, not a clip. Dammit. A clip is a little metal dohicky (that is a technical term) used to quickly push bullets into the gun, a-la WWII era rifles. A magazine is something that you insert into a weapon with the bullets already in it. Sorry, that's a pet peeve

 

Well according to dictionaries, "clip" can be used as an alternate term for magazine, . Therefore clip is a word with more than one meaning, .

Clip

2 : a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also : a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm

clip

n 1: a metal frame or container holding cartridges; can be inserted into an automatic gun [syn: cartridge holder, cartridge clip, magazine]

 

If anyone's got the latest issue of American Rifleman, there is an article on NASA's high-velocity "spacegun," that is very much tied to this discussion.

I'll post more later.

 

There is one instance I can think of offhand where a slugthrower could outpower a blaster - if the GFFA has some sort of equivalent to the railgun from the movie "Eraser." Then I don't care what the stormies are wearing, unless it's a few centimeters of quantum armor they and the next ten guys behind them are toast

Unless the guy firing the Eraser weapon has magic Ahnuld muscles that can ignore conservation of momentum I think any such weapon is going to kill the user with the first shot and possibly kill anyone behind it as it's turned into a missile that'll go so fast it'll vaporize and turn into plasma from air friction.

The gun itself, which is firing projectiles at near lightspeed(say .9c) would fire a pretty powerfull projectile though, assume it fires 150 grain bullets, then it'd yield 1e15 joules of kinetic energy, thats oh around 239 kilotons, thats worth about 120 shots from the Slave-1's main lasers for instance.

 

I'd be endlessly amused watching a Jedi try to deflect buckshot.

I doubt this is an original thought, more likely is that thanks to the Jedi's prescience he just sets up a force telekinetic wall that stops the buckshot in it's tracks, which is most certainly not beyond Jedi abilities as we see force-users ripping out heavy industrial equipment out of it's moorings in the movies, thats no small feat, Jedi could flip over entire cars easily, not to mention stopping some buckshot.