ST Snoke's ultimate goal... what he REALLY wants

What could be Snoke's ultimate goal?

So far people are assuming he has the same goals as Hux, but in reality it seems like he's just giving Hux permission to "play war" while he is concerned with something else, something that only Luke can stop.

Snoke seems utterly dismissive of the Republic, of their capital and fleet's destruction, and even of the Starkiller's destruction.

Instead, he's concerned about Luke, then about Rey, and also about if Kylo is ready.

When he learns the destruction of the First Order's most prized possession is imminent, his reaction is literally "well, now I guess it's time to finish training Kylo."

Seems very odd, doesn't it?


So what does Snoke REALLY want?


1. It could be peace and order, like Hux, and believing any method justifies that goal. With himself as the benevolent, wise philosopher-king. But we've seen this before.

2. It could be personal power or immortality, and just be completely self-centered. Though we've seen this before too.

Could it be something else?


3. Perhaps he wants Luke the last Jedi and Kylo with his Knights to finish each other, then Snoke sacrifice himself too, so all knowledge of the Force can be gone forever?

4. Perhaps he wants to wipe out all Force-users and galactic civilization too, to "reset" everything so the cycle can begin again?

5. Perhaps he says he wants order, but really wants chaos and unending war, an Eternal War, to feed the dark-side?

6. Perhaps he wants destruction, of the Galaxy, Life, and the Force itself... as the only way to end the conflict forever, and finally bring peace and true darkness?


Or something else?

 

Power.

 

For its own sake, like I put in option 2?

Or for a reason? Like those in my other listed options, or something else?

 

First comes the day
Then comes the night.
After the darkness
Shines through the light.
The difference, they say,
Is only made right
By the resolving of gray
Through refined Jedi sight.
First thing in the novelization the foundation of thought that is being established before you enter the universe. Pretty important to understand this as it was put there for a reason. The grey is Kylo. The use of this establishes that the force is still a dichotomy. Dark vs Light. Luke went to the first Jedi Temple to resolve the grey within himself, the first temple being the brightest source of light. Snokes motivation is to extinguish the light, Kylo is grey incarnate becoming darker with each evil act Luke/Rey will resolve him by turning him to the light. I know it sound simple but the premise.is.established by the decision to.use the Jounal at the start. They could have chose a.million things they chose this.

 

Based on what little we know of Snoke and what has already been established in TFA, my guess would be that Snoke wants to resurrect the Empire via the First Order and claim the role Sidious had as Emperor. He is already referred to with the honorific of "Supreme Leader" by Kylo and Hux, this would infer that he already has established control of the First Order and is likely using it as a means to an end - absolute power. He also mentions continuing Kylo's training which also infers that he has some force ability and is a dark side user, so his motivations for gaining power likely fall into the mindset of dark side Force users which is more or less power for the sake of power.

Part of me hopes I'm wrong on this. I would love to see a different motivation for Snoke in the next two films. Sidious was quite clear in that he wanted power for the Sith to rule the known galaxy and he got what the Sith had wanted. If Snoke is a different breed of dark side user, then his motivations may be entirely different than those of the Sith.

 

botox.

 

Balance is the key to this, I think. Balance, and the symoblism suggested by Snoke's name ( snake ), and his early, concept art depiction as a serpent headed creature.

I've suspected, on and off, for a while now that the snake symbolism here was important, and that should the PT's theme of balance to the Force reappear in the ST ( which it did, of course ), that an antigonist designed to explore this theme further was likely. In a dualistic cosmogony, such as the concept of the Force is based upon, balance would essentially equate to Order, which is opposed by Chaos. Rick Carter ( in the Art of TFA book ) says that the ST will introduce us to new elements of the Force. If I were to guess, I'd say that we will learn that 'Balance' or order, and 'Imbalance' or chaos, are two fundamentally important aspects of the Force itself. So we have the Light and Dark Sides ( such as in the light and darkness of Manichaeism ), but above this, we also have the agents of balance and imbalance. This order /chaos dichitomy is basically 'Chaoskampf', the universal myth of a struggle between the forces of order and a chaos serpent. One of the most significant examples of which are the ancient Egyptian concepts of Maat ( order ), represented by the god Ra, and Isfet ( chaos ), represented by the serpent Apep / Apophis. Apep was believed to swallow the sun every evening, a symbolism which is particulary interesting in light of TFA's Starkiller.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)

"The motif of Chaoskampf (German for "struggle against chaos") is ubiquitous in myth and legend, depicting a battle of aculture hero deity with a chaos monster, often in the shape of a serpent or dragon. The same term has also been extended to parallel concepts in the religions of the Ancient Near East, such as the abstract conflict of ideas in the Egyptian duality of Maat and Isfet."

"Isfet or Asfet (meaning "injustice", "chaos", or "violence"; as a verb, “to do evil” is an ancient Egyptian term from Egyptian mythology used in philosophy, which was built on a religious, social and political affected dualism."

"Isfet was thought to be the counterpart of the term Ma'at (meaning “(world-) order” or “harmony”). According to ancient Egyptian beliefs, Isfet and Ma'at built a complementary and also paradoxical dualism: one could not exist without its counterpart. Isfet and Ma'at balanced each other. An Egyptian king (pharaoh) was appointed to “achieve” Ma'at, which means that he had to keep and protect justice and harmony by destroying Isfet."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isfet_(Egyptian_mythology)

"Apep (/ˈæˌpɛp/ or /ˈɑːˌpɛp/) or Apophis(/ˈæpəfɨs/; Ancient Greek: Ἄποφις; also spelled Apepi or Aapep) was the ancient Egyptian deity who embodied chaos (ı͗zft in Egyptian) and was thus the opponent of light and Ma'at (order/truth). He appears in art as a giant serpent."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

If Snoke is a representation of Apep, then it's also possible that Rey is a development of Ra, the bringer of order

 

Am I understanding you that Snoke's ultimate goal is eternal chaos?

 

I agree that post-Vadar, the tables have been re-balanced and that this new balance is what this trilogy will focus on for the force users.

 

I think he is a personification of chaos maybe. Ra for rey is interensting too, but I was thinking more of Rey as in "Ray of light."

 

Didn't Andy Serkis state that Snoke is damaged and vulnerable ? And if my memory's still intact, GL or someone else stated that the original ST plans (Before even ROTJ was made) was about Luke trying to stop The Emperor before he became the Ultimate being. So my guess is that Snoke wants to remove his vulnerability by becoming the ultimate dark side being. (Possibly through the Dark Side wellspring planet mentioned in Aftermath?)

 

maybe he is boo

 

Homergreg

Yes, I guess that some form of chaos is where this idwa would lead, but chaos is a nebulous concept isn't it? So quite how they'd interpret this is hard to say. Never ending conflict? Political chaos? Famine, destruction, and suffering on a galactic scale maybe?

 

I think Snoke wants the extermination of the light side of the force. He wants to bring his version of 'balance' to the force.

 

Entropy

Entropy

chaos is drawn by the light.

 

I think Snoke wants to wipe out the Jedi completely, plain and simple. That means finding and killing Luke before he can train any new Jedi, and also get rid of or turn anyone currently in the path to become a Jedi (like Ben, and now Rey).

Not really sure WHY he would want that aside from being evil and wanting to control the Galaxy with no threat to his dark sided ways.


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I'd actually prefer if Snoke was just a dark side guru, kind of like an anti-Yoda, and was only interested in expanding the dark side wherever possible.

 

Destroying the last remnants of the Light Side so that ONLY the Dark Side remains.
Basically just an evil ****

 

Reunite the galaxy into a single unified military super power to combat the imminent extra-galactic threat that's coming to enslave and destroy the GFFA.

Solid dude.

 

To get people to stop identifying him a Sith Lord. Darth "Oh, I can cheat death" failed to do so. Pathetic loser who lost to a loser. Now Snoke's the boss.

 

So here's my crazy, no evidence theory: Snoke has no Force sensitivity. In fact, he despises force sensitives, and his ultimate plan is to destroy them entirely. He picked an 'apprentice' with a mix of dark and light in him with the intent to perform some sort of sacrifice that will ripple through both sides, rupturing all connection. Or perhaps, even the Force itself (this is almost like someone trying to destroy their God, and this would make for a very interesting villain) This is why he's continually described as 'vulnurable' in interviews.

His horrible disfigurement has something to do with his reasoning, but likely something more tragic. Maybe he had tried to save someone he loved with the force, and failed.

 

What if his goal is to get Rey to his side?

 

This is actually pretty interesting. It reminds me of R. Scott Bakker's 2nd Apocalypse saga (what my avatar is from). I won't get into detail because it's the greatest piece of fiction ever written.

They would, however, have to come up with a VERY interesting way for Snoke to 'sever' everyone from the Force, because sacrificing Kylo or Luke or someone while chanting some mumbo jumbo just won't cut it.

 

I think he will at some point try