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Spaarti Clone Cylinders in Episode II

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The Gatherer, Feb 19, 2002.

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  1. Anakin SkySolo

    Anakin SkySolo Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Keep that in mind when viewing them and then go back to the galaxy eating machines and purple bunnies later.

    Hrmph!

    That's six-foot tall carnivorous GREEN bunnies, thank you very much!
     
  2. wild_karrde

    wild_karrde Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    umm, maybe because he was being hostile & calling bashing the EU in the EU forum?

    If I went onto the P(SA) and started saying things like that about GL and the films, I'd be banned in 2 seconds flat.

    wk
     
  3. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Spiderdevil...
    "Even if they're not directly referred to as Spaarti Cylinders, having them grown in tubes is great as it doesn't screw up Zahn's continuity too much."

    Durnit, it was Dark Empire who "wrote the book" on Star Wars EU cloning! Veitch and Kennedy's EU cloning continuity (including tubes) was there first before Zahn's continuity!

    So, if people are going to talk about screwing up continuity, at least include Dark Empire there as well. :D
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It would be interesting if there actually were Ysalmiri "offscreen" in enclosed cages of some kind connected to the cloning tubes to tie things together.

    And, yeah, PB wasn't trolling, he's pretty moderate about these things.
     
  5. barnsthefatjedi

    barnsthefatjedi Jedi Knight star 5

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    umm, maybe because he was being hostile & calling bashing the EU in the EU forum?

    Bashing is trolling? ?[face_plain]

    [face_plain]
     
  6. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Actually, this time around, it was the completists who started bashing first:

    "While I don't want to see Expanded Universe characters in the films, but I quite like the little things that keep cropping up to piss the puriles....er, purists off."

    "Sticking it to the purists make me feel all warm and squishy inside."

    Remember, Smokey the Wookie says Only YOU can prevent flame wars!

     
  7. Spiderdevil

    Spiderdevil Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Genghis12:

    I try as often as possible to block from my memory the nightmare that was Dark Empire. :D
     
  8. Kier_Nimmion

    Kier_Nimmion Jedi Knight star 5

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    Merk...

    At the time I made the post there were no so-called purists in the thread, therefore no flame. And what I said was true- when Ayla Secura first popped up, over in the PSA thread, they were, yep, you guessed it, pissed off about it.





     
  9. barnsthefatjedi

    barnsthefatjedi Jedi Knight star 5

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    Who cares? These rivalries are quite pathetic.
     
  10. Kier_Nimmion

    Kier_Nimmion Jedi Knight star 5

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    Who cares? These rivalries are quite pathetic.

    I am inclined to agree, Barns, however, to this date ONLY ONE of the so-called purists has successfully explained why they dislike the Expanded Universe. Comments like 'it sucks' or 'Dark Empire (or another title) was awful' doesn't cut it.

    Commander Antilles comments to me some months back were a detailed enough explanation and perfectly valid. AAMOF- Padme Bra and Commander Antilles are two of 'other side' that I have a tremendous amount of respect for, if not as fans, then as Mods- they have never once failed to handle a problem in Lit when asked, even though its not their domain. It's the person who says 'EU = P-U, it sux!!!!!' that I define as a purile and have no respect for. I don't doubt for second that Commander Antilles or Padme Bra are just as passionate about Star Wars as I or Genghis or Sturm or Merk is, but that passion has two different directions, one equates as just the movies, the other equates to everything.


     
  11. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Kier, I'm not disagreeing with you that there are some so-called fans who are extremely hateful towards the Expanded Universe and its fans. However, in this particular instance, it was completists who "threw the first punch" instead of purists.

    It doesn't matter whether or not anyone was "watching." You'd be amazed at how many lurkers are out there. Bashing tends to turn into flame wars when somebody decides to stop lurking & start commenting.

    When hunting dragons, take care that you don't yourself become a dragon.
     
  12. Sturm Antilles

    Sturm Antilles Former Manager star 6

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    More to the point, why must this purist bashing persist too, and appear in this thread first?

    If more Purists presented their thoughts like IronParrot does, I wouldn't have any reasons to complain about their actions. ;)

    It just seems that, to me, Purists often act out of ignorance ( "The EU contradicted the movies because in the BFC, Luke's mother is Nashira" ), fear ( "If I hear the word 'Mandalorian' in AotC I am going to puke..." ) and hate ( "KJA sucks!" ). The Dark Side, if you will.

    Completists also draw powers from the dark side as well. They become angry at the Purists attacks and lose their resolve and patience. I've done this before myself. But, in most cases, a lot of us present our thoughts in a constructive manner.

    Both sides in the conflict have their problems, but, IMO, whoever has their heart in the right place, holds the upper hand.

    It would be interesting if there actually were Ysalmiri "offscreen" in enclosed cages of some kind connected to the cloning tubes to tie things together.

    But that was an idea of Thrawn's. Ysalamiri, as far as we know, weren't used in the Clone Wars era. But I do like your idea 2ndQuest.
     
  13. Wedge 88

    Wedge 88 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Clones are fun.
     
  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >> But that was an idea of Thrawn's. Ysalamiri, as far as we know, weren't used in the Clone Wars era.<<

    Has Thrawn been discvered by Palpatine yet? Perhaps it was his idea, mentioned it to Palps, who then tried it out offscreen during any cloning we see onscreen. That could explain why the clones we do see mature in AOTC don't go insane or anything when grown at a faster rate of pace. The other clones could have been done "the old fashioned way" without lizards, and then Thrawn reuses his idea during TTT.
     
  15. Sturm Antilles

    Sturm Antilles Former Manager star 6

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    Damn...brilliant idea. Let's hope that one of the authors who explain this use similiar tact.
     
  16. Tsavong_Lah

    Tsavong_Lah Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Any one ever wonder if the Arkanians had anything to do with the Clone wars and clone tech.
     
  17. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    WEll,I got back a reply to my email. Here we go:



    "This sounds very plausible, and while I'm not aware of any sources that have inserted "Spaarti" into EpII material as of yet, it's probably only a matter of time. There are a lot of SW reference-writers who would love to smooth over this bit of continuity in the name of a unified universe. Heck, maybe I'll even get a shot at it. "

    No,I won't say who it is.

    Oh and if one goes by my theory, it's flash learning that causes the madness. Perhaps the Force somehow makes it unstable.
     
  18. Sturm Antilles

    Sturm Antilles Former Manager star 6

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    Any one ever wonder if the Arkanians had anything to do with the Clone wars and clone tech.

    Probably not. Their expertise seems to be cyborging.

    No,I won't say who it is.

    Dan The Man?

    Oh and if one goes by my theory, it's flash learning that causes the madness. Perhaps the Force somehow makes it unstable.

    I like that theory. That could be why the clones seen in the "Breathing" trailer are learning at basically normal human levels through standard means.
     
  19. JediLord

    JediLord Jedi Master star 4

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    yes, very very small details of the EU are making it into AOTC.

    but a huge thing like Boba Fett's past is getting rewritten. hmm, guess GL can change the Eu to sit his purposes. what does that tell you?
     
  20. Sturm Antilles

    Sturm Antilles Former Manager star 6

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    Who said anything about Fett's past being rewritten?
     
  21. Mavrick889

    Mavrick889 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes, since when (besides in AotC) have we ever known anything about Fett's childhood?
     
  22. JediLord

    JediLord Jedi Master star 4

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    jaster mereel. thats the Eu verson. its in for an overhaul.cant say i am sorry.never cared for it. other people should not get to do the origins of characters like boba fett, that is reserved for GL.
     
  23. Mavrick889

    Mavrick889 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    "jaster mereel. thats the Eu verson. its in for an overhaul.cant say i am sorry.never cared for it. other people should not get to do the origins of characters like boba fett, that is reserved for GL."

    What in Episode II contradicts this? It obviously took place later on in Fett's life. What's the big deal?
     
  24. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek

    Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling star 10

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    Correct. There is absolutely nothing in Episode 2 that contradicts Fett's already written past. I think this falls under the "ignorance" category.
     
  25. JediLord

    JediLord Jedi Master star 4

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    oh my God. if you people are actually trying to fit this in to continuity, then you have a serious disease. why would he change his name and go to concord dawn? dont try to do thid, i beg you.
     
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