Amph Spider-Man & SSU Films (Madame Web, Venom 3, Kraven, Beyond the Spider-Verse)

Do any of the reviews say that miss Topher Grace?

 

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I take it all back, this film is going to be amazing.

 

Well, I expected poor reviews for Venom ever since we got of first look of the character and everyone reacted on how poor the CGI was. Moreover, a Venom film without Spider-Man would be like a Joker flick without Batman. Wait a minute... scratch that. A Joker film without Batman looks like it's going to be amazing.

Anyway, I'm still looking forward to seeing Venom despite it being poorly received because of all the calluses from super hero films like Superman: A Quest for Peace, Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Spider-Man 3, Spawn and so on. So, if the film sucks it won't leave a mark. And if it really sucks hard, Sony might just give up all together on their Venom-verse.

What I'm still excited about Venom is seeing other symbiotes. It's going to be a Riot.

And it won't be a total loss going to the theater to see Venom because I'm sure the new Into the Spider-Verse trailer will be attached to Venom and Spider-Verse looks amazing (Spidey pun intended) on the big screen.

 

That Into the Spider-Verse trailer was pretty grand, also it looks like freakin' Kingpin is the main antagonist in the film (he's the one opening the dimensional portal). Ya see, people?! Kingpin isn't a Daredevil baddie, he's a Spider-Man baddie!

Oh and Lady Gaga's Little Monsters Fandom are doing a social media takedown of Venom to sabotage it's opening against Star is Born. no, really!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/lady-gaga-venom-weaponized-fandom-1148979

It’s the battle of the monsters this weekend. In one corner we have the alien symbiote Venom who could very well launch a new cinematic universe for Sony. In the other we have the “Little Monsters,” Lady Gaga’s fanbase who is fighting for audiences to show up for her awards worthy performance in A Star is Born. Tuesday, it was discovered that a group of Lady Gaga fans were attempting to sabotage Venom’s opening weekend box office by writing negative reviews of Venom on Twitter once the social media embargo lifted. Twitter users noticed that a significant number of reactions to Venom following Monday’s premiere contained the same content right down to the punctuation, and one of them told Buzzfeed it was a coordinated attack on Venom.

The most prominent faux hot take offenders were “I am the biggest marvel fan but I just watched #Venom and I don’t know what to say. Easily the worst movie this year. I expected so much better and now I’m just disappointed” and “Just got out of a #Venom preview.. Thankfully it was free. Worst two hours of my life. I will be taking my wife to see Lady GaGa’s new movie #AStarisBorn with Bradley Cooper on Friday. Their song Shallow is great..”

 

I am going to see Venom on Friday morning. Personally I think the Trailers have looked great! It looks like a lot of fun! I am sure Spider Man will join Venom in Sequels or Spider Man Films.

 

I really need the name of your supplier.

 

It is so Tobey Spidey.

 

Also Spider-verse Parker punches a car that is flying through a window at him and MJ in a coffee shop. Not 100% from Spider-Man 2 when Doc Ock throws a car at them in the shop but it's really close.

 

gak seeing it Saturday!

 

I’m seeing it tomorrow. I hope it’s decent enough.

 

Sorry for the double post. But do you guys think Sony will cancel their planned universe if Venom earns no money, on top of the poor ratings? I know it’s cruel, but I hope so, just so they can sell Marvel the rights.

 

No, I don't either.

And frankly they'd be dumb to do so, especially given the position they're in. They don't have a large stable of viable franchises like Disney does. Which is why a full on collab with Marvel is probably seen as last resort over there. They likely want to put out more than one movie every year or two and it will be hard for them to get them more frequently than that working with Marvel as their sole creative with Sony keeping the revenue like the current arrangement.

 

At least one good thing has come out of the Venom debacle.



It's been an excuse for Tom Hardy to play with dogs!

 

The only way I see Sony selling off their licensing rights back to Marvel is if the Sony company as a whole is struggling financially. This was something that was discussed in various media outlet over the last year or so, as Sony's consumer electronics good have been struggling and Sony Pictures hasn't been able to create tent pole franchises or steady box office hits.

That's being said, if Venom bombs, Sony may seek a collaborative production deal with Marvel Studio like they did with Spider-Man. Meaning, the other Spidey related characters like Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Silver Sable, Sinister Six, etc., could be produced by Marvel Studio but the production costs and revenues would be on Sony, as @The2ndQuest said. This way Sony keeps their Spidey license to create video games, animated films and whatnot, and benefits from Marvel Studio's work on the cinematic side.

I'd say it would also depends on the budget for Morbius. If Morbius was budgeted around $100 million, I'd say it won't happen because it's unlikely to be very profitable when you mix in promo and advertising (P&A) costs, which is usually half of the production cost. However, if its budget is around $50 million like the first Deadpool flick, it will probably go forward. Typically, a film needs to earn double the production costs to break even, because studios have to share the revenue with the theaters.

I'll say this, most movie going audience doesn't know that Venom is not actually a MCU film. They see the Marvel logo attached to the film and think it is an MCU film. Such was the case with the two morning radio talk shows I listen to, as they both say something to the effect of, "Venom is a Marvel movie, that's why it's critic proof and will make like $50 million this weekend." So Morbius would seriously need to display that Marvel tag to garner interest and revenue.

Into the Spider-Verse looks amazing and I hope it does tremendously well at the box office. I mean, I hope the film does as well as The Lego Movie so they'll continue to make such Spidey type of films. Not to mention, this is the introduction of Mile Morales to the general movie audience and I want Miles to be beloved by the general public as he is with comic book fans. I think Into the Spider-Verse will do an excellent job in distinguishing Miles from Peter and make him put his own stamp on the Spider-Man mantle.

 

Yeah, that meme would have been better off leaving off Welcome to the Jungle. But that's still hitting at .250 and with Venom, that batting average will drop to .200.

 

Yeah, from what I've gathered, from Raimi's problems with Sony's demands on Spider-Man 3 and Marc Webb's experiences with his Amazing Spider-Man flicks, is that Sony approaches the Spidey films with a check list of things that need to be in the film and the script must be written incorporate those items. Sony has had an erection for Venom since Spidey 3 and the Sinister Six since the start of Amazing Spider-Man, and so they tend to try to create a larger universe and cast of characters rather than just focusing on telling a good story with their characters.

I love how Raimi's original Spider-Man film states at the beginning of the film is a story "about a girl..." So, sweet and simple. It's character driven and therefore the audience are drawn in by the characters.

 

I actually love the idea that Venom was a loser on his homeworld and chooses to save Earth just because he finally matters somewhere.