ST ST lightsaber battles. Mirror PT or OT?

Ugh please no. That's so over the top.

 

I can't answer the poll because there are fights in both trilogies that I love, (Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs. Maul, Obi-Wan vs. Vader 1, Luke vs. Vader 1 & 2) and ones that don't do much for me (Obi-Wan & Anakin vs. Dooku 2 [except for the end], Obi-Wan vs. Vader 2).

As for the color scheme in the Obi-Wan vs. Vader Mustafar fight, I admit that I was thrown off by Anakin using a blue lightsaber at first just because I really wanted to see him switch to red during that movie. However, in time I came to like it very much. For one thing, we see Anakin use both a blue and red lightsaber to execute Dooku earlier in the movie, which is great symbolism in and of itself. For another, I agree with the reasoning that Anakin is still holding on to the last bit of his humanity and goodness as long as he uses his blue saber. He can no longer show it at that point, but it's there. Of course it's still there after ROTS, but it's buried a lot deeper. In that duel, it's still close to the surface. There's also something interesting to me about the perversion of him using his Jedi weapon to murder Jedi, including children, and duel with his best friend. On top of that, his rage is expressed through the environment, which is violent, explosive, and in a dangerous state of collapse. It's only after this duel that it becomes sharp and focused like a blade. And besides, whether or not a red saber would show up against the background, the red on red would just be ugly and wouldn't make for good composition. Blue on red is a much more striking image and drives home the fact that this is a fight between two brothers.

 

Very simple, my preference is for lightsabre fights that appear real. Once you start bringing in very obvious (to me) CGI I lose interest in the fight and go out of the moment. Pretty much what Miranda Tate's death scene in "The Dark Knight Rises" does to me everytime.

 

I like glow stick battles myself.

 

PT please. In this day and age the OT style would look like Monty Python & the Holy Grail......in my opinion

 

Ponda Baba: "It's just a flesh wound!"

 

The problem is Blue on Blue sabers makes the fight much more muddled as its not always clear who's weapon is were when they are fighting.

As for the "last bit of humanity", the OT points out that there is still good in him, why is he using a Red Lightsaber in that trilogy? That argument doesn't really hold up.

Come on, you know what he means. There is no reason for a clearly CGI Dooku who does 2 flips rather then take the stairs. Or a CGI Palpatine that is doing corkscrew jumps and flips rather then just parrying. Of course the fight is going to have a foot in fantasy. EVERY fight in every movie does, it makes it more entertaining. But there are degrees, and Darth Magus (from what I can tell) would rather the fantasy be dialed down a bit. That doesn't mean the existence of a lightsaber is too much for him.

 

I don't wish to get into another of these debates with you where you pick and choose which parts of what I've said to acknowledge, so I will simply repost this quote...

Make of that what you will.

 

You're right, its best to only get into debates were you pick and choose what to acknowledge.

Its buried deeper later on? So deep that comes out later on where it doesn't come out in the PT?

A lot of people point to the the scene were he is crying. But his eyes are yellow in that moment (or shortly after), and he is about to choke his wife, the woman he is trying to save, while is pregenant with his child (never mind all the stuff he did before this), he is pretty far gone at this point. I don't think ANYONE would have said "he is REALLY evil now, sure he killed children, commited genocide and murder and choked his wife, but he is using a Red Lightsaber........THATS the sign".

 

I really don't understand your point here. I'm talking about symbology, not signs. Obviously he has been consumed by evil at that point. What I said was that his humanity was still closer to the surface during the Mustafar battle than it would be later on, and that the color of the lightsaber he uses is in part a symbolic reflection of this. Pretty simple really.

 

He had also turned evil, as we can see by his actions and by Obi-wan Dialog, and giving him the Red Saber a that point would by symbolic of that. It works both ways.

On of that, the Red on Blue sabers creates the contract so it easier/possible to tell who is doing what.

 

I also prefer the OT and TPM style lightsaber blade effects over the effects from AotC and RotS. Don't know if it's because of filming digitally or what, but the blades look too static and have pointed tips. They should be round like the first 4 movies.

 

I really don't care about blade effects. This reminds me of the whole "vader's pink saber" nonsense.

 

I thought the pointed tips were just on ROTS and TCW. Anyway I don't have a preference. I just wish the lightsabers were consistent throughout the saga. I wonder if Disney will be willing to cough up more money than Lucas could for new editions where all the effects are done right. I'm sure a lot of people would groan at the notion of yet another SE but I'd love it and never expected him to stop as long as he was alive anyway.

 

Exactly, and well said. That was precisely what I meant.

 

I want to see fights with pauses pregnant with purpose and meaning (like ESB/ROTJ) combined with some of the athleticism and faster pacing of the PT.

That being said, my favorite lightsaber battle of the saga was in ESB. They'd upped the battle quality a lot from the ANH duel, it was punctuated with numerous moments where the combatants weren't clashing blades, the scenery change was logical and kept it fresh, and the stakes were high. If they only give us battles like those in the PT I won't be upset (unless they go on for 20-30 minutes with no real progress). I just prefer to have a more plot-heavy OT-style approach.

 

Luke vs Vader Bespin, Anakin vs Dooku episode II (should have been longer but cut short by editor), and Obiwan& Quigon vs Maul..a combination of similar duels. Some with flash and flair..others with tension dialogue and pure grit. Also the beginning part of the Mustafar duel OWNED too. Long story short we all want a nice balance of OT AND PT..but I prefer PT just cause the first duel as Lucas said was between two old people and he wanted to make sure the PT showed us how its done.

 

Please don't make them be like the embarrassingly brief duel between Kenobi and Grievous.
"I was taught in the arts by Count Dooku!"
So you were taught in the arts of sucking and losing.

 

Apparently Kenobi response was on the lines of "Good, because I taught the man who killed Count Dooku" if it was true that would be one change I can never forgive Lucas for

 

It was- in the novelization. Don't know if it was in the script before the script was revised though- it could just be the author being better at dialogue in some respects:

Now he had four arms. And four hands.
And each hand took a lightsaber as his cloak dropped to the floor.
They snarled to life and Grievous spun all four of them in a flourishing velocity so fast and so seamlessly integrated that he seemed to stand within a pulsing sphere of blue and green energy.
"Come on then, Kenobi! Come for me!" he said. "I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Lord Tyranus himself!"
"Do you mean Count Dooku? What a curious coincidence," Obi-Wan said with a deceptively pleasant smile. "I trained the man who killed him."
With a convulsive snarl, Grievous lunged.
The sphere of blue lightsaber energy around him bulged toward Obi-Wan and opened like a mouth to bite him in half. Obi-Wan stood his ground, his blade still.
Chain-lightning teeth closed on him.

 

but Dooku taught the man who taught Kenobi and also learned from the man who taught the man that killed the man who taught Kenobi.

 

"Oh yeah? Well you were trained by your mom!"