Star Defenders . . . let's take a peek

so if Nom Anor's fission bomb on the Mediator class ship didn't outright destroy the ship but Kanos uses a self-destruct on a gunship to take out an ISD.... is there a discrepancy in size.. perhaps not...

while the main hangar of an ISD is fairly centrally located (on the underside, but in the middle) and then fairly deep -- connecting to all the landing racks for all the TIEs and platfroms for shuttles, etc,
ISDs tend to have one main hangar IIRC.

the hangar used by Nom Anor's rigged a-wing may have been one of many small hangars that are all spread out along the edges of the mediator.. further, because the hangar isnt as big, the bomb's epicenter isn't as deep into the center of the ship... rather than going off in the belly of a ship, it goes off in the nose, and possibly mroe of the blast is shifted outward and pushes the rest of the ship back, rather than pushing the ship in multiple directions, ripping it apart.

didn't the rebels use a stolen shuttle and a big bomb to take out an ISD in the first TOD in the X-wing PC game?

 

There's also the fact that what Kanos blew up was a rather large - and possibly fully loaded - bomber... A Scimitar's payload could concievably include shipkillers of some description. I'd imagine it would make a rather bigger mess than 'just' a crash...

Also, do I remember the ISD in question drifting with a huge bite taken out of it... since the ship didn't straightforwardly explode, it could be argued that the power-core was intact, and that it could (just) have been regarded as functional - even if it was next to useless as a combat vessel...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Indeed, the Emperor's Revenge was badly crippled, but not destroyed. We clearly see that roughly a quarter of her hull has been blasted out into space, but the rest of the vessel is intact. As I recall (*checks Crimson Empire graphic novel*) she still has running lights on in places.

 

The Viscount seemed to be a symbol of the NR's conventional invinciblity over every other fleet in the galaxy before the YV came. So I don't think it will be mentioned again in the series particurly with WJW creating the rapid mass production Republic Class Mon Cal Cruiser. However with Luceno writing the Unifying Force there is a good chance that we will see some strident class as he coined the term in his other NJO novels and was the only writer other than Salvtore to use Mediators, Ranger class gunships and strident/viscount class in his novels. Then we may get some solid answers as to what these ships are capable of.

 

WJW does not invent Republic class Mon cal cruisers!!! It is a Kuat Systems Republic class cruiser. Be careful what you type. We have a thread going right now that is trying to clear up confusions in the warships of the NJO!

 

Wait, I thought the Republic-class was an enlarged Rendili StarDrive Victory-class star destroyer...

 

There's two Republic-class ships, like how there are four variations on Defender in regard to NR cap ships... :\

 

Good lord.

 

Not to mention all those various X-wing deriatives...

And the new (and not so new) types of Star Destroyers, Heavy Cruisers, Star Defenders, Assualt Cruisers...

Perhaps the lack of standardized equipment in the New Republic hampered its ability to fight the Vong so early on in the war?

 

First of all on page 23 of the WJW thread on the authors and artists forum WJW takes credit for the creation of the the republic class cruiser. he is asked whether it was the Star Destroyer varient and he replies that it is not but a general mon cal class built for mass production.

The last few posts have seemingly proved why the Viscount/Strident class have not been used by any other authors in NJO past AoC and that is they are as confused as us as to what is going on in terms of Capital ships. That is why more and more Ships from the OT are the only ones used in the NJO.

 

No offense Jedi Mike, but Walter Jon Williams calls them different in DW. On page 46 of DW, the following is said about the NR fleet attacking the Vong warships at Obroa Skai:

"Nine flights of fighter. Four Corellian gunships. Three KUAT SYSTEMS Republic Class cruisers. A refurbished Lancer frigate...and two MC-80b Mon Calamari cruisers."

Look in your book. Just because WJW says one thing on a thread...which by the way, the guy doesn't reallly know Star Wars that well, doesn't mean that changes what he published in a book. So, we have to make a view things clear now:

1. The Republic class Star Destroyer: It was a warship deveolped during the early years of the NR. Developed by Republic Engineering Corporation. For more info see Crackens Threat Dossier.

2. The Republic Class cruiser: A warship designed by Kuat that was a mass production vessel, designed to be built cheaply and quickly.

My point is, We all have to be very careful what we say about NR/GA warships. There is a great thread we have going right now that everyone should visit. We are discussing NR capital ships from the Black Fleet Crisis to the NJO.

 

*puts on his idiot hat*
Where can I find a copy of Cracken's Threat Dossier? It sounds like it has all kinds of great stuff in it, and until coming here (TFN) I'd never even heard of it before.

 

Well, that is a tricky deal. To the best of my knowledge they are no longer available, but they appear on E Bay all the time. It is a great book, with some great pictures. One of my wishes is that a new version of the Threat dossier would come out, but I will have to make due with the New Essential guide to Vehicles and vessels.

 

While I thought the Kuat just meant place of manufacturing but it appears you are right WJW didn't say specifically that it was a Mon Cal only that it was in the general class. by that he could mean size class but I thought they were smaller. I am now very confused

 

How much does CTD run on Ebay?

 

Probably in the $20 range, that's what most WEG books were going for when I last looked

 

Kinda spendy. But I'll look into it. Thanks guys.

 

Also, check around at a local comic shop or game store. I have found all kinds of old WEG books in places like these.

 

I would, but there aren't any local shops of that variety. Maybe I could talk Ryan into a Modesto run...

 

Ugh, why couldn't WJW have named that damned Republic-class Cruiser something else? Didn't he know how confused the fans (who, unlike the authors, actually care about teh ships...) would be?

I think LucasBooks should appoint a sort of "Ships and Vehicles Reviewing Commission" to catalogue all ships, review ship description and statistics in books, and act as a sort of editorial board. And do the same for ground vehicles and weaponry. The Commission would be made up of people from this thread, of course.

Anyway, I don't see why WJW would have had to invent a new type of ship, considering all the great ships (Mediators, Stridents, Viscounts, all the BFC types, heck even the MC90) that were at his fingertips. He probably forgot that they existed, considering how rare they are in the NJO. Note that he uses MC80B's, rather than Mediators or MC90's...

 

It is somewhat unusual to be seing MC80Bs at this point in time. They were just an interim design until the MC90 could roll off the production lines in orbit around Mon Calamari. You'd think that relatively few of them would have been produced.

 

Btw, here's Walterjon's (WJW) exact quote on the Republic-class cruiser.

I'll answer the easy one first. I =invented= the Republic-class cruiser. I (and the NR Navy) needed a craft of the same general class as the Mon Cal cruiser but capable of mass production, and there wasn't one in the tech manuals, so I made one up.

Oh, so there are tech manuals, huh? Bring them before us!!!

More to the point, couldn't WJW just use MC90's? According to most sources, they were capable of mass production, as they were purely military warships and more standardized than previous models.

Or he could've used Mediators, for that matter.

Maybe I'll ask him myself, sometime.

 

So... He wanted a 1,200 meter ship that could be mass-produced?!

Would it not be easier to just, oh, I don't know, keep mass producing Nebula-class star destroyers? Bothan Assualt Cruisers (which are nearly comparable to a Victory star destroyer) maybe?

And I second the request to have the tech manuals brought before us. We with the incredulous minds demand it.

 

*Enters Inquistion Mode*
I'm sure that inside those "tech manuals", there are the real lenghts of the SSDs, and whether or not to call them Executors or Supers.

On a serious note, maybe WJW was referring to the Essential Guide stuff, which is at times spotty in places, shall we say?

 

Indeed. No TIE advanced? No Vindicator cruisers? Hmm...