Star Trek vs Star Wars

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Cool discussion!

My father and I took different paths,he has followed and loved in his own nerdy way Star Trek since it started all those years ago,whilst I have followed Star Wars.

He respects SW but finds it slightly to cartoony for his tastes and still to this day try's to lure me over to his way of thinking on all things ST.Vice versa I challege his views on my beloved franchise to his but we still get nowhere.

I do respect what ST has done and if there's a film on TV I will sit and watch but I just find it all a bit to formal for my tastes!

I'm sure ROTS will make him take more notice to the darker side to SW but I do'nt think i'll ever be able to sit through episode after episode of actors with funny foreheads that change for each species every time the Enterprise boldly goes somewhere!

 

Chewie tosses Stormtroopers around like cardboard. Worf has to groan when lifting a boulder.

Wouldn't a boulder weigh more than a stormtrooper?

Not necessarily. A 100 pound stormtrooper weighs the same as a 100 pound boulder.

This means Chewie can inflict more damage to Worf. Sure Worf could break Chewie's leg, but Chewie can rip out Worf's throat. He can gash his chest, arms, legs, head etc, That all adds up to some pretty massive blood loss. The more he bled, the quicker Work would go down.

In an episode of Trek NG...don't know the title...the doctor aboard the Enterprise stated that Klingons have a back up for almost every vital system and major organ in their bodies. In this same episode...Worf surivived having his spinal column removed...AND his vital signs stopping for close to 4-5 minutes. Are Wookiees this resilient?

What does that have to do w/blood loss? Regardless of how many back up organs a Klingon has if there's no blood going to them, well, they don't stay alive.

Chewie would heal from the broken bone.

Are you talking about Chewbacca or Wolverine?

I didn't mean Chewie has an accelerated healing factor. I meant he would heal from a broken bone. You cannot heal from massive blood loss. No blood, no oxygen to the brain, no life.

Wookies are better designed for hand to hand than Klingons.

Wrong.

Really? A Wookie has ten fingers. Each one has a claw. Klingons have ten fingers w/no claws. How again is a Klingon designed better for hand to hand combat?

 

Wookies would not use their claws in combat. They consider using claws a dishonor. Only the most wretched Wookie would do that.

I'd have to go with Klingons in these fights. EU aside, all we see in the movies is that Wookies are slow and lumbering. You don't need to be particulary fast to be arboreal (look at sloths).

I've also been reading quite often about how ISDs would chew up Federation ships. Something that hasn't been mentioned is that ISDs are horribly, horribly slow in sublight. They move like aircraft carriers. ST ships are extremely fast and agile for their size. The Galaxy Class Enterprise D could pull some moves that would make Yeager blush. A small, heavily armored ship like the Defiant would be a pain in the neck for those turbolasers to track.

I'm not saying that ST would win, I'm just saying it could be a closer match that some of you argue.

 

Just for saing that ST robotic technology in far behind ST.
Comparing Data to 3P0 isnt the best choice.What about Lobot?Landos personal aid.

 

Well in ship combat the thing is there are two extreme s to argue.

1. Federation ships have shields that are unaffected by primitive laser weapons that Star Wars ships have.
This would result in the ST winning, no contest.

2. Federation shields are unable to stop such a huge engery burst created by Star Wars weapons. This results in absurd comparisons where, one fighter has the ability to take out an enitre fleet of capital ships.

Clearly there is something wrong with argumnets that make ships of differnt chassis match up.

Ergo, i think it would be kind of equal, or deppending on the ships and captains in question.

THe other thing is question the size of the empire, i mean millions of worlds make uop the galaxy...then why did the sepratists mkae a huge war with only tens of thousnads in attack of the clones.

this is probably the result of science fiction vs science fantasy settings, Star trek is probably more conservative in its estimates of human advancement

 

What does that have to do w/blood loss? Regardless of how many back up organs a Klingon has if there's no blood going to them, well, they don't stay alive.

It has everything to do with it. The guy had his spinal column removed...I'm pretty sure it would be tough to bleed him to death. Get a clue before posting stuff like this.

I didn't mean Chewie has an accelerated healing factor. I meant he would heal from a broken bone. You cannot heal from massive blood loss. No blood, no oxygen to the brain, no life.

Chewie is just as susceptable to blood loss as any other being.

Really? A Wookie has ten fingers. Each one has a claw. Klingons have ten fingers w/no claws. How again is a Klingon designed better for hand to hand combat?

That Klingon sword that Worf is always waving around would be more effective than tree-climbing claws.

 

ehm,wasnt it meant to be hand to hand combat-so no swords??

 

I'm a giant Star Trek fan, but it's pretty obvious to me that Chewie would kick the crap out of Worf in hand to hand combat any day. The Klingon redundancies are more for being able to survive better after the fight. They don't much come into play during it. Once the Klingon wins a battle, then the redundancies are a major boost to help him recuperate. All Chewie would have to do would be rip Worf's arm out, and he'd be down for the count.

However, if they could use thier weapon of choice, Worf would own with his bat'leth. Put him up against a wookie with whatever blade, club, shield they want and he would still take them down.

 

ehm,wasnt it meant to be hand to hand combat-so no swords??

Using a weapon such as a knife or whatever the Klingon sword is called is classified under "hand to hand"

The Klingon redundancies are more for being able to survive better after the fight. They don't much come into play during it.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

All Chewie would have to do would be rip Worf's arm out, and he'd be down for the count.

Is Worf just going to stand there while his arms are ripped out? No. Please get a clue.

 

I remember there was a website that actually wrote a story where through a worm whole, Vader and the Empire invaded the Star Trek Universe and completely destroyed Star Fleet. I wish I could remember what the site was, but it was very interesting.

 

I don't have the technical know-how to argue this topic one way or another, but other fans of both franchises have already covered every angle in great detail. Since this is a SW board, I think it's fitting to present StarDestroyer.Net first. Star Wars vs Star Trek in Five Minutes is, as the title says, the quick and dirty rundown. Also of note are Canon and How to Analyze the Evidence, for sources and methods used. All in all, this is a fairly complete argument for SW over ST. Hope you guys find this site interesting and worthy of debate.

JediDJ1013, perhaps your story is archived at the alt.startrek.vs.starwars fanfic archive?

 

soem of the detail at which both sides go to prove they are better is almost scary, i couldn't read it all, and i'm a fan

 

Our Star is better than your Star!!!

 

or what about a Federation Starship, vs a Star Destroyer vs a Goa'uld Mothership? Three stars

 

The Starfleet ship would probably get taken out fairly quickly. ISDs have anti-starfighter weapons and fighters of their own,so Death Gliders probably won't be a problem for the Imps. As far as capital ship weapons go, I don't know enough about Goa'uld wepons technology to say wether or not the Goa'uld could breach an ISD's defences, although Goa'uld motherships are certainly big enough to hold their own against Imperial Star Destroyers.

 

I really think that Starfleet is not all that inferior to Star WArs ships, i mean although the Empire's ships are built for war, Star Trek, ships have powerful weapons, photon torpedeos have large explosions for example. This is assuming neither side have an overwhelming advantage

 

I don't know how well Worf would swing that sword around after having his arms pulled from their sockets. Wookiees are known for that you know.

 

can wookies actually do that though, in shadows of the empire, leia tells threepio that it was a joke. even if they can, i suspect it would probably take a lot of effort, and worf its not one to hang and sit around to let his arm be torn off

 

My guess would be that if Wookiees actually exist, then yes. If they don't, then no.

 

that sorta kinda maybe makes our points moot then doesn't it?

 

I didn't mean Chewie has an accelerated healing factor. I meant he would heal from a broken bone. You cannot heal from massive blood loss. No blood, no oxygen to the brain, no life.

Chewie is just as susceptable to blood loss as any other being.

Yes, that's true. But my example was used to illustrate you don't die from a broken bone. You die from massive blood loss. As you say Get a clue before posting stuff like this


ehm,wasnt it meant to be hand to hand combat-so no swords??

Using a weapon such as a knife or whatever the Klingon sword is called is classified under "hand to hand"

Um, no it's not. It's called melee. Hand to hand it w/out weapons. However, since you stated a Klingon is better designed for hand to hand, you still have not posted any facts to support this. Making an edged weapon is not part of the Klingon physical design. They are not born w/swords or knives sticking out of thier hands. Wookies are born w/claws. Wookies are better designed for hand to hand combat as they don't need to make weapons. The Klingons are pretty useless w/out thier weapons.

The Klingon redundancies are more for being able to survive better after the fight. They don't much come into play during it.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

What fact do you have to back that up? Are Klingons like Wolverine now? As I recall, Worf got himself knocked out and incapicitated quite often, usually by a blow to the head.

 

Yes, that's true. But my example was used to illustrate you don't die from a broken bone. You die from massive blood loss. As you say Get a clue before posting stuff like this

Huh?

Wookies are born w/claws.

Wookiees don't use their claws as weapons. Still haven't gotten that clue, eh?

The Klingons are pretty useless w/out thier weapons.

Yeah...just like Bruce Lee is useless without a weapon.
Worf was often shown training in Klingon martial arts techniques.

What fact do you have to back that up? Are Klingons like Wolverine now? As I recall, Worf got himself knocked out and incapicitated quite often, usually by a blow to the head.

Sure Worf has been knocked out...but Worf never fought daisies. It was usually some bad dude doing it.

 

STARDESTROYER.net...that was the site that had the story!

 

i really don't like sites like that, arrognece and insults galore. this gets a little overly serious and unpleant to watch