~T3: Rise of the Machines~ Discussion Thread

Our hero is transformed into a clown, and has a different cast/director



Thats a sig quality line right there.

 

i dont know if this has been brought but i was watching t2 last night and i realized something at the end of the movie the t-1000 destroys the t-800s powercell or fuelcells our whatever what i realized was even with the t-800s cells destroyed he was brought back to life by alternate power now in t3 the t-850s fuelcells were destroyed but right after he killed the tx with his last fuelcell we immediatly went to John and Katherine and Judgement Day and the last scene the light went out in the t-850 in t2 the light went out in the t-800 but then it came back on what i want to know is will the t-850 be brought back to life by alternate power?

Whoa... that was all ONE long sentence. Um... I'd respond to it, if I knew what it was saying.

 

I think what he's trying to say is:

In T2, when the T-800's power goes out, and reboots later, why doesn't the same thing happen to the T-850 in T3?

 

Earlier in t3 the t-850 lost one of its power cells so if it just has 2 that would explain why it couldn't but the t-800 could since it only lost one

 

In T2, when the T-800's power goes out, and reboots later, why doesn't the same thing happen to the T-850 in T3?

Well, the T-850 has essentially 3-4 power sources:
- Primary battery in its back
- alternate power somewhere else (used in T2 after the T-800 was speared through the back)
- two hydrogen fuel cells (which are NOT the primary power)
That's how the T-850 was able to continue operating even after losing both hydrogen fuel cells - it still had the primary power source.

 

The T-850 did reboot. He just couldn't get away because he was trapped under the door, and rubble from the explosion. At the end of the movie you can see his eye fade while we see nuclear dust rain down on his endo skull, meaning he's going offline... Now either that's taking place years after the events of T3, and the T-850 has been trapped for years surviving on a third power source. Or it's only a few hours after the blast, and he only managed to survive a small amount of time after removing the second powercell.



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Syntax... Is there anything you don't know?

 

Where did this T-850 thing come in? They never mentioned that in the movie. Actually, they never mention the words T-800 either. Lots of people have come on this thread and say that he is a T-101 because both Reese and Arnold said it was called "Cyberdine Systems Model 101." The other people corrected them by saying that he was a T-800, and that 101 was the name of his appearence. But the never mentioned the words T-800 in the movies, and in T3, when John asks Arnold about the other Terminator, he says "That was another T-101." So it IS T-101, not T-800 or T-850.

 

where did you find that out Syntax?

 

Syntax made sense of the number system earlier, and I'm ashamed I didn't pick up on it before given my area of expertise.

T-850 is basically the model number for the endoskeleton, whereas T-101 is the CPU/AI-system used. It's analogous to a Sony Vaio (System Unit designation) that is running a Pentium 4 (CPU) chip. The use of the 'T' designation in both instances is due to the fact that the endoskeleton and CPU/AI aren't manufactured by separate companies. All of the Terminators are built by Skynet.

As for why Skynet decided to make the distinction, I think it's just because of the way the original program was set up. Skynet, the first true AI, was derived from a model CPU created by Cyberdyne Systems. Even though the first CPUs were human creations, part of Skynet remained "loyal" to its original programming by using similar nomenclature with its own mass produced CPU/AI units. The endoskeleton model designations were used for organization.






Eva_Pilot04
Insanity x2...

 

The T-850 did reboot. He just couldn't get away because he was trapped under the door, and rubble from the explosion. At the end of the movie you can see his eye fade while we see nuclear dust rain down on his endo skull, meaning he's going offline... Now either that's taking place years after the events of T3, and the T-850 has been trapped for years surviving on a third power source. Or it's only a few hours after the blast, and he only managed to survive a small amount of time after removing the second powercell.

Well, as much sense as that makes, and as much as I'd like to buy into it, I REALLY have a hard time accepting that the endoskull at the end of the film (amongst the nuclear ash and such) is meant to be the T-850's endoskull. I mean, the film doesn't exactly make that clear, and the context of it is TOTALLY different from how it is in the T3 novelization. In the film, it looks to be outdoors in the remains of a playground such as the one in T2. In the novelization, it's actually under the blast door in the Crystal Peak bunker, so it actually makes sense that it'd be the T-850. The film doesn't even imply that it's Arnold's unit, IMO.

Syntax... Is there anything you don't know?

Yeah, I get that a lot.
Realistically, though, I am something of a "completist". I went out of my way to find out every single source... and then acquire them all. I have done the same thing with the Aliens/Predator/AvP franchise - I could go on and on for a hundred thousand posts about anything and everything AvP. I just choose not to (mainly for personal reasons stemming from really bad experiences on AvP messageboards. I kinda keep my AvP "knowledge" to myself now - but trust me, I know more about AvP than I do about Terminator).

Where did this T-850 thing come in? They never mentioned that in the movie. Actually, they never mention the words T-800 either. Lots of people have come on this thread and say that he is a T-101 because both Reese and Arnold said it was called "Cyberdine Systems Model 101." The other people corrected them by saying that he was a T-800, and that 101 was the name of his appearence. But the never mentioned the words T-800 in the movies, and in T3, when John asks Arnold about the other Terminator, he says "That was another T-101." So it IS T-101, not T-800 or T-850.

For the record:
1. When Arnold reboots in the "garage/chip removal" scene in T2, he lists himself as a Series 800 on his own diagnostic screen. I've got a screencap of it in my Webshots account in the Terminator folder, for the curious.
2. The scripts for T1 and T2, as well as the novelizations for all 3 films (including BOTH T1 novelizations - yes, there are two different novelizations, one by Randall Frakes, one by Shaun Hutson) mention the term T-800.
3. The official T3 website lists Arnold as a T-850, as do the following other sources:
- the McFarlane action figures
- T3shop.com
- T3game.com
- both official T3 magazines so far (there's a third coming out soon)
- Interviews with Arnold Schwarzennegger, regarding T3
- Interviews with Stan Winston (special effects designer for all 3 Terminator films, as well as the film 'Aliens', both Predator films, and all 3 'Jurassic Park' films), regarding T3
4. The Terminator2 comics make reference to the "T-800" unit, as do the following other sources:
- all the old Bethseda 'Terminator' first-person-shooter games, such as "Terminator: Future Shock"
- the game 'Terminator: Dawn of Fate' (out for PS2 and XBox)
- the 'Terminator' CCG (yes, there's a Terminator CCG. It's out of print now, though)

where did you find that out Syntax?

Find out what?

Syntax probably can answer this better, but I believe there is a reference to the "600 series" in T1, and that what Arnold is was a newer model.

Yes, the first mention of the "800 Series" is by Kyle Reese in that scene, and he also mentions the 600 Series.

Strictly speaking, anything with T-8## is a "Series 800" Term

 

I know Syntax explained this all, but how I've seen it is that T-800 is the series, and 101 is the model number. Just the condensed version, if you like

 

Exactly. That's the "Cliff's Notes" version of the explanation.

 

Something kind of confused me about the T3 Novelization. Granted, I probably wouldn't have been so confused if I had actually read the whole thing. I just spent 45 minutes skipping around.

Anyway, at one point during the book, John, Kate, and a group of commandos go to the remains of an air force base, reprogram a T-850, and send it back through time. Immediately after this section of the book is the part we actually see in the movie where said T-850 goes to the bar and gets his clothes from the male stripper. All this happens in July 2029, I think. It might have been 2030. Later on, either a year before, or a year after (I don't remember), Skynet sends back the T-X. I have two questions about this (and I apologize if they were already answered either here or in the parts of the book I didn't read).

1.) The part of the book where John sends the T-850 back through time has no fighting in it whatsoever. They get into the facility, reprogram it, and send it back. End of Sequence. It didn't kill John, but later in the book, just as it did in the movie, the T-850 claims to have killed John before being reprogrammed by Kate. Why is this?

2.) Again, I'm not sure whether the T-X was sent back a year before or after the T-850, but either way, why such a large time gap?






Eva_Pilot04
Insanity x2...

 

Both the T-X and the T-850 are apparently sent back in time in 2030, fairly close to eachother. The gap (however big or small) is really inconsequential.

The whole "I killed you on July 4th, 2032" thing is an inconsistency. Sure, it's in the movie, but none of the EU sources so far (including the T3 novelization) actually support it. The T3 videogame trailer doesn't support it, and the first 2 issues of the T3 comic book directly contradict it. Frankly, I don't think it actually happens - it wouldn't be the first time a Terminator was programmed with false data or programmed to flat-out lie, or deliberately lied of its own initiative. We already know the T-850 can lie to Kate, and Kate is the only person who can give the T-850 direct orders!

 

I just picked up one of those Terminator TCG from my local card shop (I believe Syntax mentioned them in one of his posts). It was between the Skynet starter or the Resistance, so I picked Sky figuring there would be more terminator info/stuff in there. It's pretty cool, there's some neat stuff in there and for $4 it was pretty cheap too, you get the rules and play mat thing, a die, a 50 starter deck and a bonus booster. I'm thinking about looking to see if they have any more boosters.

 

I was never able to get any of the Terminator CCG stuff before it went out of print.

This website DOES have a complete cardlisting, though, which is cool:

http://www.alienspredator.com/terminator/

 

Hey Syntax, if you want to send me the $8 for the 2 starter decks, I'll be happy to pick them up for ya. lol

 

Where'd everyone go?

 

Hmm.. I'm saving my money for the game 'Tron2.0' at the moment (out this Tuesday! Download the demo here).

 

Arnold or not, T4 must happen!


thebadge

 

Well, Arnold or not, T4 WILL happen.

 

I hope T4 won't suck. I say this because, usually, after two sequels, the franchise starts to suck.

Don't believe me? See Batman & Robin. *shudder*

 

Well, I dunno. For my part, I've liked the third installment the most for many movie series:
- 'Alien3' is my favorite Alien film
- 'Return of the Jedi' is my favorite Star Wars film
- 'Terminator3' is probably my favorite Terminator film (I'm still kinda on the fence on that one).

 

Alien 3? The only thing I liked about that movie was that badass dude sacrifices himself at the end (Goes hand-to-hand with an Alien by himself). I can't believe they killed Hicks that way. I mean, at least let the Marine die fighting, not being impaled while sleeping.

Anyway, I just hope T4 won't focus on John and Kate's children.