~T3: Rise of the Machines~ Discussion Thread

Alien 3? The only thing I liked about that movie was that badass dude sacrifices himself at the end (Goes hand-to-hand with an Alien by himself). I can't believe they killed Hicks that way. I mean, at least let the Marine die fighting, not being impaled while sleeping.

Well, in one of the original Alien3 scripts, Hicks lives (he's one of two people who survive the film, the other being Robert Morse, the prisoner who ended up living in the final cut of the movie), and while he's got his pulse-rifle, it runs out of bullets very quickly, so he has to resort to the same tactics as the prisoners.

 

Hicks was going to live? Damn, that's annoying. I think the producers overestimated how much we wanted to see Sigorney again as Ripley. For me, the story and ALL the characters made the alien and aliens what it was. At the end of Aliens, they made me care for Bishop, Newt and Hicks then killed them off in the most anti-climatic fashion. Idiots.

 

'Alien3' is a tragedy, plain and simple. It was never meant to be anything other than a tragedy, in all versions of the script. In every version, Ripley and Newt were dead by the end, and in most versions Hicks and Bishop were dead.

As for Ripley being the core of the saga, I personally think she is. It's the relationship between her and the Alien creatures.

 

yeah man, i understand as well, she has a connection and all, but i really think that they should not have killed off the marine and the kid though

even though in the first one they killed all the crew.

but with T3, i am will wait for part 4, without relizing whats going on and all, maybe the future is really changable

maybe we can have another terminator fighting a bum of a john conner

really though,

(PM me if you want some sort of fan specalation or so )

 

I had no problem with Alien 3 being a tragedy. I do have a problem with an alien egg on board the Sulaco. Sorry, but the Queen didn't have her egg sack, didn't have time to lay an egg and was only thinking of killing Ripley at this point. I have a problem with the Sulaco catching on fire and jettisoning its crew. What kind of crappy ship doesn't: a) have a sprinkler system b) Wake the crew up c) send the crew crashing down in n escape pod that kills most of the survivors.

The start of Alien 3 was to allow a gimick: get Ripley ALONE on a planet with male prisoners and throw in the whole lice thing so everyone is bald. It is so contrived!

The next bits suck simply because it is Aliens all over again with nobody believing Ripley then a snore fest as the Alien slowly kills the prisoners in contrived ways so that nobody STILL believes Ripley or suspects a thing. I hate overused rubbish like this.

By the end of the film, every prisoner (except Dillan. He was cool) looked and acted the same and got killed running away from the Alien in very bloody fashion. No suspense or fun at all. Then they throw in Bishop's creator?? If they wanted to please Bishop fans, why not have the android in the film? By the end of the film I was depressed because the whole thing was dumb and boring.

 

Hicks could have LIVED?!

Now I REALLY hate Alien 3!

Well, at least survived long enough to provide some info, but that's it.

 

By the way, Syntax, could you post the Alien 3 script where Hicks lives?

 

Terminator 4 better have Arnold in it. I don't want a short cameo because that will be crap. I want to see him as much as I saw him in T1, T2, and T3.

 

On July 2nd The Machines Will Rise! Just not past 150 million.


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..... except for the $400 million secured overseas

 

Hicks could have LIVED?!

Now I REALLY hate Alien 3!

Well, at least survived long enough to provide some info, but that's it.

I think you're thinking of Bishop, the android. I'm talking about the Marine who got splashed with acid in the elevator towards the end of 'Aliens'.

By the way, Syntax, could you post the Alien 3 script where Hicks lives?

It's a full-out movie script - I'm not gonna post it in the thread, assuming I can find it, that is.

 

Whoops, missing a single piece of a post really screws it up. I was talking about Hicks then, I wanted to talk about Bishop: the only other "survivior".

I'd really appreciate reading that script.

 

Uh, Syntax, is there more than one "Hicks survives" script? Cause I just read one where Hicks lives (Yay!) and kicks major ass. But you said he runs out of ammo, but he doesn't. And I didn't read anything about the prisoners.

 

In that script, did Hicks live but Ripley wasn't even a character? I think there's a script like that.

The one I'd seen was where Hicks lived and Ripley lived, and it was pretty much the same as the 'Alien3' that was in theatres, but Hicks was alive, too.

 

I read a script where Hicks, Ripley, Newt and Bishop all survive and are taken back to Gateway. Of course, an alien was onboard the Sulaco and starts wiping out the population of Gateway itself. In this, not only is the Alien a new breed (it multiplies much more rapidly), but the Company and a radical group are racing to create it in order to destroy each other.

Anyway, Ripley and Newt make a quick exit in the film (Newt heads to Earth with her grandparents, and Ripley (who is in a coma) is jettisoned in an escape pod after all hell breaks loose), leaving Hicks and Bishop as the central characters. By the end of the film, they are the only survivors of Gateway and are starting to look for the alien homeworld to wipe out the species.

Very good script.

 

He stinrab, the one I read was very similar to that, except Bishop and Hicks aren't on Gateway, they're on some space station in construction.

 

I read a script where Hicks, Ripley, Newt and Bishop all survive and are taken back to Gateway. Of course, an alien was onboard the Sulaco and starts wiping out the population of Gateway itself. In this, not only is the Alien a new breed (it multiplies much more rapidly), but the Company and a radical group are racing to create it in order to destroy each other.

Yup, I've read that one.

 

Am I the only one that thinks there is no need for a T3 Thread anymore? I mean, for the last page, it's been only stuff about Alien 3, and T4.

 

You might be the only one. Sorry.

 

Up.

 

Hmm...if you don't think its necessary anymore why don't you just let it die instead of randomly upping it ?

 

Anybody still in here/interested about this?

 

YES!!!!!!!

 

T3: Terminator Dreams blurb:

Despite the heroic efforts of John Connor and Kate Webster, and the ultimate sacrifice of a T-850 terminator, Skynet became operational and mobilized its machine forces in all-out war against its prime enemy: mankind. More than twenty years later the war continues, fought by human resistance forces led by John and Kate, and by people in secret enclaves around the world. Raiding machine facilities, using small guerrilla forces to sabotage and destroy Skynet forces, the resistance is holding its own . . . but it's not enough. The self-aware AI that controls the robot terminators, the hunter-killers, and the rest of what used to be America's arsenal is too smart, too quick, too flexible to be defeated.

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