Senate Taxation: All I Ever Wanted (now discussing: relative tax burdens)

Yeah Mike what you're describing is not what I mean nor Lordban means, and is actually what a debilitating tax would be. Since taxes are progressive I would be surprised if that was you. Since we pay more tax than you, I also doubt that's the case.

 

Hmmmm. OK, so debilitating means you cant pay for basics due to extreme taxation. Fair enough. I still find them high, especially here in NYS where it is NOT uncommon for ones mortgage payment and property tax bill to be dangerously close in monthly outlay. Thats just a bad setup. Its also extremely depressing and horrible to pay your house off only to realize that instead of it being "paid off" you are forced to still throw a huge chunk of money as a "mortgage" payment at it for the rest of your life. Its like, "Congrats Mr. and Mrs middle class people. You've paid off your home! Its now free and clear..... just $650 a month until you die". Sorry but that sucks. Hence, many folks get the hell out of high property tax states come retirement time. Like we will.

 

Apples and oranges.

 

anakinfan edit: Removed personal info

As has been said Australians pay more tax than Americans. So basically again, this boils down to:

YES - Mike does not like property taxes
NO - They're not debilitating.

I'm not doing this to brag, Mike. I'm pretty sure people here know I'm on good coin. I did it to illustrate why I am ok with a high tax rate. More than half my tax dollars go to welfare and health alone. Honestly, I would never want to live somewhere without good social services for everyone.

 

The average monthly property payments in New York for a $200,000 home is $1582, according to here - and that includes home insurance payments. Also, the lion's share is on the mortgage, which is not the government... and this naturally is including New York City, with the caveat that people in northern and western New York pay less.
If you want to pay for housing that is 'dangerously close in monthly outlay', Florida is the place to be. Housing costs - rental or home ownership - is skyrocketing, outpacing wages. Fortunately, Florida is working hard to increase taxes on everyone by passing a consumption tax - in return for cutting unemployment taxes for businesses. Somehow the citizens of Florida are constantly paying more and somehow getting less.

I'm sure the citizens of Florida will love that someone like you will come down here to live off what the people here pay for and offer nothing in return, other than voting Ron "Trump II" DeSantis back into office.

 

And have you considered that maybe you're just "being terrible with money, buying things you cant afford, having bad priorities, not valuing education or understanding that you tend to get out things what you put into them"?

(and does a mod want to update the 'now discussing' part to something about comparative tax burdens or the like?)

 

40% of income on smashed avacado on toast says Mike is very sensible with his money.

 

Okay, here's what I don't get - if you hate NYS taxes so much and think they're so high, why don't you move now, instead of waiting until you retire in order to do so?

 

See also: "I hate immigrants, coming here to try and get a better life, but I refuse to move to get myself a better life."

 

Ender, getting in Australian bomber memes that Americans won’t recognise

 

Why spoil the surprise?

 

OK bomber.

 

On here Ender seems pretty reasonable, but every now and again he says something that is Mike levels of cringe for an Australian.

 

Because Florida is a **** state to work in, and Mike knows it.

 

I'm sure other states, other than NY and FL, are available?

 

There are - there's the bat**** looney states like Idaho, which aren't an option; there's other states with policies similar to New York, like California; and there's the states like Florida, where pay, infrastructure and public services are poor - but the conservative retirement communities are great and have the ears of the state legislature (Republican Governors will often make their big announcements in Florida not in the state capitol, not in the major cities, but in the Villages, a gigantic retirement community in the middle of nowhere that has undue political influence for a group of people that contribute nothing to the state).

 

Because this is largely about double standards, also why the 'correct' way for people to deal with not liking Florida is to leave Florida, but the 'correct' way for him to not be happy with New York is complain that it needs to cater to his own whims rather than stop complaining and leave if he's that serious about it.

 

No, that's actually an internally consistent position: "I refuse to move to get myself a better life, therefore all those immigrants should also refuse to move to get themselves a better life and stay where they are."

It's a **** position, but at least it's consistent.

 

Don't know about you, Mike, but here in Washington state, my property taxes support some government supplied services - public schools (oh, gee - I don't have any kids or grandkids, why do I *have* to support public schools?), parks, fire protection...

Funding is broken down here: https://dor.wa.gov/sites/default/files/legacy/Docs/Pubs/Misc/RevenueAtAGlance.pdf although this link does not specifically address the property tax uses, although came from a link as to how property taxes are used.

 

Not all of our military activity involves bombing 3rd world countries. I know the military is a favorite target of some people to gut spending for. Last years budget was over 900 billion. Lots of money, no doubt. Let’s say you cut that in HALF and take it down to 500 billion. My links I posted showed that Andrew Yangs $1300 a month plan was going to cost 2.8 TRILLION and that’s also with a big fat 10% VAT shoved onto us. You’re still over 2 trillion short still , roughly. Uh oh. So....

Of course, a classic "success tax" always comes up. 70% over 10 million? Wow. Brutal. That just punishes people and businesses that dared to make it big. And not even that big, really. It’s just confiscation at that point, IMO.

I will agree that loopholes need serious closing. Of course we could do a lot of that with flat taxes or consumption taxes but the left wants nothing to do with such things. We could ditch the IRS in both cases and get rid of the extremely complicated tax code that does favor those hated rich people. The left operates tax concepts on their idea about who should pay what. It always involves punishing success. Not really a good idea as far as I’m concerned.

 

Once again, QGM argues that the poor should be taxed more than they currently are.

I like the "let's get rid of the federal government's organization for collecting taxes and hope the government just gets tax money somehow with magic" argument here, and that he wants to switch to a tax code that favors rich people even more.

Could a mod get him to address these points in the tax thread? If he wants to disuss taxes, we have a thread for this. He just didn't like that a tax discussion involved math.

 

Generally the cognitive dissonance between "America was the greatest from winning WW2 through the Space Race" and "how did we pay for stuff then" is pretty high.

Man, if you think a 70% tax rate is high, do I have news for you...