The 12th EUC Starfighter Draft: Death Shovel - Come discuss the Future!

I don't have to, but I want to.

 

Six.

Round 1:

Shalla Conference

Match 1: What is Cloverfield? Squadron vs. Showboat Squadron (4-3)

Atril Tabanne vs. Quinlan Vos

Match 2: My Little Ponies vs. The Empress's Harem (and Menagerie) (4-3)

Ooryl vs. Zekk

Match 3: Stumble's team vs. That One Squadron (4-3)

Alema Rar vs. Octa Ramis

Castin Conference

Match 4: Red Squadron vs. Monkey Lizard Squadron (5-2)

Myn Donos vs. Tycho Celchu

Match 5: You Bring the ****, We Bring the Tyranny Squadron vs. Missing a Sith Squadron (4-3)

Sarkli vs. Vindoo Barvel

Match 6: Talon's Kenobies vs. sgt. Pepper's team (5-2)

Ace Azzazzazzazzameee3en vs. Anakin Skywalker

 

1. Atril
2. Ooryl
3. Octa
4. Tycho
5. Sarkli
6. Anakin

 

Wait, what? You're voting a Rebel defector over a guy who flew in the Clone Wars and has more than 30 confirmed kills? "One of the most decorated TIE pilots ever"? Someone who "could power-dive the wings off any other craft and hit a target the size of a pleeky on the way down at top speed, port or starboard cannon, you pick which gun." No way in hell does Sarkli, "Luke's getting all the credit! " beat this guy. You have got to be kidding me.

 

I'm starting to like this fellow.

 

Much as it pains me to argue on Zekk's behalf, I gotta protest.

What, precisely, rates Ooryl above him, aside from the usual bias toward the older generation?

 

How so? Zekk has, off the top of my head, the latter two years of the Vong War, five years of nearly nonstop peacekeeping missions, the Swarm War, and the recent Corellian unpleasantness.

 

So, wait, you're going to flop to a guy who's best actual, known feat is getting embarrassed by Lord Vader in a simulation? I mean, sure, most people would get beaten by Vader, but this guy was embarrassed, flat out schooled by Lord Vader. And, sure, he's got thirty confirmed kills from the Clone Wars ... but against, what? What kind of craft? What kind of pilots? Who knows. The Clone Wars were filled with horrible pilots and with droid pilots. Shooting down thirty of them is worth nothing. Shooting down a hundred of them is worth nothing.

Meanwhile, we have Sarkli who was not only accepted into Imperial ranks despite having been a Rebel (no small task, there), but also made his way up the ranks within the Empire (again, no small task). On top of that, he was trusted, at Geonosis, to lead an attack against none other than Wedge Antilles, who was no small bug on the Empire's screen, even at that time. I don't think the Empire would send just anyone against an important cog in the Alliance like Wedge Antilles. And, while Wedge did escape that, it wasn't because of his piloting, it was because of his luck in ground combat.

So, really, both guys here are limited to pretty much implied skill and experience. I just think Sarkli has better. On both counts.

 

Uh, Ooryl's performance against Corran in I, Jedi, his performance in the Bacta War, his performance at Distna...surviving the Thrawn War, Daala's garbage, Zsinj, etc etc all put him above Zekk. Especially when you consider it is tough to judge Zekk on his own merits, since he always was mind melded/hive mind melded, it's pretty easy to call the win for Ooryl here.


And Zekk didn't have that much flying in the Vong War...a year, at best, since he wasn't flying at Borleias. I think he only really started in Destiny's way (though I'm not sure...).

 

And Sarkli's best known feat is what? Shooting down two AT-STs? Running from the Rebellion? Getting to stand at attention on the Death Star? Really, that's a poor excuse, Vader schools everyone he comes upon. Can you name more than 5 guys that could possibly, hang with Vader? No, you can't, and Sarkli is nowhere near that elite class of pilot. So what if Barvel got schooled? Sarkli would've been too, and then whined about it.

That's a bit ridiculous. This is a guy in the Imperial Navy that you just say his name, and people know who you're talking about. Sorry, but nobody gets that kinda rep by being a lackluster pilot, and you can hardly argue that Sarkli is in his league. This guy was freaking put in charge of the Empire's flight school at the ICNB while still a freaking captain.

That is just plain ridiculous. He shot him down in an LAAT, not an TIE. And we know how ridiculous those things are represented in video games. The fact is that Sarkli has done nothing, nothing at all, to be considered up to the standards of fighting in the Clone Wars, much less being put in command of a piloting school. Sarkli has absolutely no rep, and is an arrogant whiner. Barvel is an accomplished ace who has trained a ton of pilots and makes other pilots feel "like a small child who could barely walk trying to keep up with a champion distance runner." You might just as well argue that Sarkli could beat Luke Skywalker. He's a last round type of pick. He shouldn't beat "The Shooter".

 

He wasn't flying at Borleias because Jagged got him transferred elsewhere. Or something.

Anyway, I'd argue more, and I do think Ooryl's being overrated, but I find it difficult to care too much about a character I hate. Even if I'm losing the match.

Good game, Horsey.

 

If anyone is all reputation, it's "The Shooter". Seriously. Name me one actual confirmed mission he's been on. Because I can name one Sarkli lead. The only time we see any evidence of "The Shooter's" piloting skills, he gets embarrassed.

 

Overrating Ooryl? I don't know about you but his career speaks for itself, especially when it on record twice where he surprises Corran with his skill.

The problem with Zekk is with the consistency of when he flies. It's a problem with a lot of Jedi, where unless that's where they can do the most good, they're usually off doing something else. That leads them to having less overall experience than career pilots that have served for the same time periods.

 

Good game, Trip. Thank you to others who argued for Ooryl for me while I was fighting death yesterday. (though looking back it didn't appear to need it, but some of you did anyways.)

 

Embarassed against Vader, that's the qualifier, and that's the point. Unless you can say that Sarkli would shoot down Vader, him losing to Vader is nothing to be ashamed about. The fact is that you have to earn your rep, something which Sarkli couldn't do, otherwise he would've stayed with the Rebellion. He's one of the "most decorated TIE pilots ever", can Sarkli say that? Barvel isn't some cocky upstart that flaunts his abilities, and when the time comes, he can't measure up. He's a great pilot that gets shown up by an even greater pilot. It's not like he lost to a nobody. He lost to the Dark Lord of the Sith, the greatest pilot ever. The mission Sarkli lead ended in failure and his assumed death. Tell me how that makes him measure up to one of the Empire's best TIE pilots?

 

Octa and Sarkli

 

Teamz.

Round 1:

Shalla Conference

Match 1: What is Cloverfield? Squadron vs. Showboat Squadron (5-3)

no teams

Match 2: My Little Ponies vs. The Empress's Harem (and Menagerie) (5-3)

no teams

Match 3: Stumble's team vs. That One Squadron (4-4)

Soontir Fel, Gunn Yage, Shira Brie, Evir Derricote, Broak Vessery, Alema Rar, Brodie Coburn, Lorrir vs. Kyp Durron, Corran Horn, Tesar Sebatyne, Asyr Sei'lar, Octa Ramis, Edor Crespin, Garven Dries, Todra Mayn

Castin Conference

Match 4: Red Squadron vs. Monkey Lizard Squadron (5-3)

no teams

Match 5: You Bring the ****, We Bring the Tyranny Squadron vs. Missing a Sith Squadron (5-3)

no teams

Match 6: Talon's Kenobies vs. sgt. Pepper's team (5-3)

no teams

 

Wow...I am seriously shocked. How in the world did that happen? A guy whose only feat is defecting, losing an escort carrier to a single Jedi Starfighter, and being shot down by a ground cannon...beats one of the most decorated TIE pilots ever? A number 8 pick beats a number 5 pick. Awesome.

Though I still find the contention on the Ryad/Dlarit decision and this match absolutely ridiculous, good game Inty.

 

....Judges?

 

Since the Commish is almost crying...

Skill: Stumble's team =< That One Squadron
Experience: Stumble's team < That One Squadron
Force: Stumble's team < That One Squadron
Cohesion: Stumble's team =< That One Squadron

Overall: That One Squadron Just that little bit extra quality that matters in teams.

If GMs actually feel like debating, I might change my mind. And if you want details, PM me with questions.

 

That's basically how I've been seeing it.