Mini Series The Acolyte 1.08 (SEASON FINALE!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

It's a shame that Qimir didn't have the ability to look into Osha mind and manipulate it. Imagine if he had some sort of Force power that would let him go into Osha's mind and find out the location of Brendok! Unfortunately Qimir doesn't have that kind of power. Ha!

EDIT: I'm confused about the fact that in the second flashback episode Indara tells so Sol that the Jedi Council ruled that Mae and Osha were too old to be trained as Jedi...and yet we know that Sol did train Osha for a while. I don't get it.

This could get even more muddled if Vernestra trains Mae in season two.

 

Btw, I think that there was a continuity mistake: one of the two halves of the broken bridge had fallen in the flashback. Yet Sol saw both standing in this episode, when he wanders around.

 

Right. And I’m saying he likely took advantage of the already simmering mistrust of the Jedi by many in the Senate which was then exacerbated by the Clone Wars, by Count Dooku being the leader of the Separatists, by Mace Windu’s attempted assassination of Chancellor Palpatine. It all culminated with the Senate happily giving ultimate power over to Palpatine and cheering as he purged the Jedi Order.

 

That’s the least of the problems with this episode.

Yes, I agree the powers of the Force change with what’s needed for the plot.

Reaching again, maybe Osha wouldn’t have been trained if the true story had been told? Maybe Sol defied the council/yoda like Qui-Gon and Obi-wan did with Anakin.
As another user posted earlier in the thread, almost nothing in this show stands up to close scrutiny. Logic falls apart if you really think about it. The plot is full of holes. The same is true for other SW franchises and even the Lucas movies, but to a seemingly lesser extent.

 

Super dumb! Also Vernestra clearly knows about the Sith i.e. her fallen student so mind wiping Mae doesn't explain why the Jedi don't know about the Sith in the TPM. Heck, the finale ends with a strong implication that Vernestra tells Yoda about her Sith student which would REALLY muddle the PT.

Like you said, the real reason Mae was mind wiped was because the writers really want Mae to be on the light side and Osha to be on the dark side.

I am confused however about the fact Vernestra blamed all the Jedi deaths on Sol but the mind wiped Mae says something like, "they say I killed a Jedi?" So some people, (including the bar tender from episode one) know that Mae killed Indara but the Senate is told that Sol killed everybody? Seems like Vernestra's coverup would fall apart real quick!

Also, Vernestra is likely going to train Mae. So...the Jedi thought that Mae and Osha were too old train when they were ten years old...but then Sol went ahead and trained Osha anyway and now they're setting things up for 20 year old Mae who killed Indara to train as a Jedi. What are we even doing here?!?!

 

There are certainly some holes in this one.

I didn't see anything of the sort. To me it looked like he was just emerging from a deep shadow,

 

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I actually think we are building up Vernestra being a bigger bad guy than Qimir. To make the jedi look bad it’s basically they have secrets and they will do what they need to cover them up. Then they will have a meltdown about how they did it for the right reasons before dying. Everyone who knows anything about the sith needs to go.

 

So what you're saying is...

Wait. Who are you?

 

the color of his hand was almost indistinguishable from the color of the rock/cave. Close enough that it couldn’t have been an happy accident.

 

I'm guessing - and it may not be correct - it's that Qimir has to kill Mae because she betrayed him. And since she's not going to be the Acolyte, she's seen his face, and needs to die. Maybe there's a bit of unspoken rule of two going on. If Mae and Osha lived, with Qimir, they could team up and take over power him. And since Mae has already betrayed him, she can't be trusted anymore.

I agree though. This was probably the worst part of the episode.

And I don't necessarily think Vernestra thinks the Sith are back. She knows her former student, who went to evil, is still around. Evil doesn't automatically means Sith. Dark sider doesn't automatically mean Sith. None of the surviving characters think the Sith are back or were involved here.

 

I think building up Vernestra to be villainous is fine, and I *wanted* there to be a cover up kind of like the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark, but they've ostensibly now implicated Yoda in the whole mess/potential cover up and that is a bridge too far for me.

 

No they haven't. We saw no conversation between Vernestra and Yoda - just the former telling the latter that they need to talk. We don't know what, if anything, Yoda will know about all this business.

 

I hope your interpretation is correct.

 

She could just be there to inform him that the Senate is going to snoop through their dirty laundry. Which is something you'd probably want to tell the Boss personally. But I believe that Vernestra is doing what she believes is best for the entire Order, to protect it from exterior and interior foes, and will keep things covered up. Good or noble intentions, will once again, probably backfire.

 

I mean Master Yoda is the Steward of this era of the Jedi Order. So sooner or later he be involved. And in Prequels and Clone Wars he was behind many cover ups. No reason to see why this be any different

 

I don't know why everyone seems to assume Plaguies is there to spy on his apprentice.
My first thought was Plaguies is there to steal the secret of creating life. He might not even know who Qimir is.
Otherwise -- it seems pretty lame for a Sith Master to sneak around like that. He should easily be able to show his face to his apprentice no matter what that apprentice is up to.
He came off like a little rat, little spy - not a powerful and wise Sith Lord.
The Rule of 2 could easily mean that there are no Sith gangs, no Sith Order en masse -- just masters and apprentices.
Plaguies is there to witness what happens when someone can manipulate the midichlorians and steal the unnatural ability to create life itself. I don't think he is there to catch his apprentice at doing exactly what he expects an apprentice to do.

I think people are forgetting that canon is plyable nowadays. Perhaps misread in the past by viewers like us. Perhaps the prophecy means that if life is created with a slant towards dark or light - the Force will create life to balance it.

 

I know my reaction to the finale is the minority view here (I hated it), but this possibility just makes the creative choice worse in my eyes. Although the rebuttal consistently is "well, other Jedi have lied," I just don't see where the Jedi order has ever had a fixer like this.

 

Doesn't this mean that ... it's not the entire Order but one or a few individuals?

 

Why is it worse? Protecting the Jedi Order, which is a force for good in the galaxy, is a noble duty. The flaw is in the means utilized to do so. But this hardly makes these Jedi Sith equivalents. Just good guys with flaws that contribute to their slow demise. It's a very relevant lesson for democratic institutions in this day and age, while also being timeless.

 

I think it’s just because he’s an alien with grayish skin putting his hand on rock that is also grayish. I didn’t interpret it to be any kind of chameleon power he has.

 

I'm not sure a fourth grader with zero film experience could have constructed a worse production than this series. The writing is so bad, it's an embarrassment to the rest of the WGA. Who's the protagonist here? You have who I guess is Darth Plagueius in the shadows, and that's all we see of him. Huh? Osha is now the villain. Huh??? There's no coming back from that. The Jedi apparently are a bunch of dweebs more at home in Monty Python. Huh??? Can this series blatantly rip off The Matrix?

 

Yeah. Watched it again, and I saw no chameleon effect. It's just a trick of color and shadow.

I'm not sure a fourth grader with zero messageboard experience could have constructed a worse post than this one.

 

Thanks Jedi Council of my town and Disney Brazil, i watched the finale on cinema, and wow, like more the episode, not perfect, but some scenes on cinema are great.