Mini Series "The Acolyte" Season 1 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

The next Jedi possible victim is in fact wookie so next episode could be reallyyy woooookieeeeeee! Omg!

 

To be fair Obi Wan had good critic reviews too. Boba Fett not so much. But I don't think its got anything to do with story over well known character. Obi Wan had a story.

Although Obi Wan is connected the legacy canon in a large way and many didn't like how they handled it. But that's less on the critics and more fans.

 

I noticed it immediately. They are very clearly fraternal twins, upon first gaze.

There is no story reason for it, the only reason is that they couldn't be bothered to find two identical twins for whatever reason.
What part of the story would require for them to not look identical when they're young, but look identical 16 years later?

All of this, but for "critic" reviews too. I actually trust audience reviews more than critic reviews on these websites. Well, that might be a lie. I trust both of these types of reviews by an amount of 0. Maybe the audience that does the bombing is actually helping us to move away from this adoration of numbers that shouldn't mean anything. No other person's opinion should influence how anyone feels about a show.

 

May be Sharon Stone will be cast in a future star wars project may be season 2 of the Acolyte

 

No disrespect but I can see people talking about "you know what" in this thread and no warnings are given. I'm trying understand the difference between this thread and the other Acolyte thread.

https://boards.theforce.net/threads...ion-thread-spoilers-allowed.50053676/page-229

 

whoops. my bad. please delete. "hides in the nearest hole"

 

On behalf of the ADHD family I apologize if any of us inadvertently contributed to derail some threads by hyperfixating on details that give us dreading anxiety but are not pertinent with the threads purpose!
From my part I promise to focus on unfocusing and stay on topic
Life is derailing a bit out here and I can fixate a bit on stuff
I will now rewatch the first two episodes and I must say this is a good sign that I want to rewatch so early!!!

 

So back to the street rat poison maker guy who is most likely the apprentice in black. What do we think is his end game here?

Obviously having a force user with an axe to grind against Jedi who he helps to kill some Jedi is as decent a small scale goal as any for someone connected to the Dark Side and as a Sith apprentice but what is the larger play? Is he hoping that he and Mae can eventually overthrow Tenebrous or Plagueis? (depending on who his master is)? Is he just testing Mae?

Also, if he trained her for years are we really to believe she can’t pick up on ANY similarities between the street rat guy that presumably her master sent her to meet and her actual master? Part of me is still hoping he’s not the Apprentice for this reason because I feel like it will be a bit hard to buy from that perspective. However, the moves he showed opposite her were very much force-influenced and she seemed shocked by them so if that’s a red herring they are still going to have to explain it. Was he rejected as a Jedi? Does the man in black have multiple force using Acolytes? I wouldn’t mind that.

There’s also no point to a helmet reveal surprise/twist if the audience hasn’t spent time with the character behind the mask and the voice is clearly masculine so all signs are pointing to the drug maker. However, mystery writers do like to setup red herrings early. The more shocking twist would be a Jedi we’ve spent time with but I presently can’t see the man in black being Sol or Yord.

 

I am quite convinced he is not the master but

Spoiler

mother aniseya is and Mae does not even know she is alive and he is the apprentice and may end up becoming Plagueis

… but it’s a bit too early to go full throttle on one theory so let’s see episode three Ehehe… he for sure is more than what we see

 

What makes you think poison maker is merely a sith apprentice. Did I miss something that makes black clad dude with red saber an apprentice and not a Master?

I'm not exactly married to the thought of Mili Vanili jedi being the bad guy but he sure acts weird. But it's probably just him being insecure. I do agree that in a murder mystery the audience should have a chance to spend time with the murderer from the start of the show, if not it feels unfair.

 

When the apprentice of a Sith Lord takes on their own apprentice that person is an Acolyte. The crew discussed this in one of the interviews in the lead up. There’s also the succession line of the Sith to consider and how the prequel Jedi weren’t sure when Maul was killed if he was Master or Apprentice. If the Jedi by the end of the show think that both the Master and Apprentice are dead they will assume they defeated the Sith and movement when they really haven’t.

Also if the show doesn’t have a tie to a more notable Sith it lacks importance within the saga. That man in black ends up mattering even less them than Moff Gideon matters later on and that makes the entire Acolyte show premise less valuable. Not only because nobody really mattered much to the larger saga and larger long term story but also because they will have wasted the opportunity to go a century before the phantom menace and make that matter to what happens later on and missed an opportunity after talking about “in a time of light a darkness rises” and have that dark sider be some nobody rather than someone
with ties to Palpatine.

 

I see. I did not know that (did not catch that interview). And yeah I agree if the sith in this show are not tied to someone like Tenebrous or Plaguies then it feels like a weird thing to make this show take place in this era. I suppose the show could be about some Sith posers but it would be like LucasFilm dancing around important characters already known to the audience

 

I seen quite a few people who don't like The Acolyte interpretation of the jedi. While there are some who feel this is potentially heading towards saying the jedi are corrupt and needed to die, there are others that feel like its missing the point of the Jedi to make them seem like almost corrupt law enforcers.

Depending where they go wth this show. it could split quite a lot of people.

 

Everytime some new star wars live action comes out people are split. It's like Contrarian Olympics

 

Exactly. Star Wars fans have been split on things ever since the second movie came out.

 

Both of those are extremely awful and problematic interpretations of the Jedi.

 

Only the show is not presenting the Jedi that way at all. In fact, it has shown that the Jedi are so prone to helping others, that their enemies use that against them (opening scene).

What we are seeing, however, is that some kind of questionable thing involving some Jedi may have helped contribute to a Sith rise. And there's nothing in that story of a small group of Jedi that implies the whole organization was just corrupt cops.

A deeper exploration of the Jedi organization will add complexity to them. I, for one, welcome that and do not see that complexity, including some fallibility, as in any way problematic. Even good institutions have their failings.

 

So far, without seeing the entire season, I would say this season shows us simply more of what the PT was establishing. That the Jedi worked within a corrupted system (the Republic) and did things that didn't always align with their own values, and ideals, much for their own survival. In the PT, its even more apparent.

It's not the the Jedi are corrupt. It's that they are too attached to a Republic that already is, or is at least becoming that way, and they are making mistakes (some of which are rather dumb) which LEADS to their near extinction.

 

When/if the Jedi engage in cover ups, then they are engaging in corrupt behavior. It begins with political moves like "keeping things quiet" so their enemies don't learn about their weaknesses or screw ups.

That's not the Republic's "bureaucracy" indirectly connecting them to corruption; that's the Jedi's own institutional practices that are self-serving and corrupt.

It reminds me of the Supreme Court "policing" itself; there is no such thing.

 

Very impressed with the show so far. I expected it to be good, but this is better than I could’ve imagined.
The first episode opened up a really interesting story with the twins, and I’m sure it will just keep getting deeper and better.

We’ve been introduced to a range of new and likeable characters. I’ve seen a lot of comparisons to Sol being the new Qui-Gon Jinn, and I completely agree. It’s impossible not to love this guy.
Osha is a fun and likeable protagonist. Mae is an interesting villain. Love the dynamic between them, and the two complete opposite simultaneous stories.
Yord and Jecki are a really fun master / apprentice duo. He’s a goofball and she’s a show off.

You can tell this show had a huge budget. The world building is absolutely incredible. Some of the best of recent times for Star Wars.
The visuals, set designs, costumes, props, everything is phenomenal and well crafted. I also love how many aliens they’ve put everywhere. It really feels like I’m in the Star Wars universe in every single scene.

 

I see nothing in the show so far indicating that the Republic is corrupt.

The Jedi not wanting it known that an ex-Jedi killed a Jedi, because that would be exploited by their political adversaries, is not particularly corrupt. It’s a pretty standard feature of a political system that has institutions who protect themselves. What would be corrupt is if the Jedi themselves committed an extrajudicial murder or some other illegality, and covered it up. Or something like that. And I do think that an illegal/ immoral/ extrajudicial act happened on Brendok, and that corrupt act is what’s driving the plot. But it feels, thus far, like something contained within a few Jedi. But we’ll see! Maybe it runs deeper. In any event, I’m finding it all pretty interesting.