Full Series The Bad Batch 3.01 - Confined - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Hemlock probably knows enough about the biological aspect of midichlorians, but not about the spiritual.
Wonder if Plagueis' studies will be at least mentioned.

 

Don’t use the acronym example. Fixxxer has already declared that an invalid comparison.

 

Again my thoughts right now is Hemlock hires some bounty hunters as well as sending clone X’s after her. I still think Crosshair will be reunited before Omega.

 

Hope that more bounty hunters from TCW will reappear as part of this chase, like this good fellows.

 

I mean, that would be amazing. It would be the best case scenario at this point. But it's probably never going to happen, because it's too good to be true

Well, I gave you only two examples with wavelength and luminosity, when I could have given you literally thousands of examples of scientific terms and names that do NOT get shortened, and for which we do NOT use acronyms. And you can certainly find many examples for which we do indeed use acronyms or shortened names. Neither of those sets of arguments proves that I should not be bothered by the conscious choice to change the term "Midichlorian Count" (first introduced in 1999) to "M-count". If anything, I have every right to be bothered by this, regardless of how passionately you feel the need to prove that we must all feel the same about it.

Conversations on these forums are almost always a lot of fun, especially the friendly banter kind of conversations..... except from when they cross that line where one (or more) fan tries to force their opinion and how they view things to other fans, and proceeds to actually mock another person if they don't agree with their point of view. In this particular example, having some examples of real life Biology shortened terms because the original name might be too long and/or difficult for people to pronounce, is not the argument you think it is But I am going to just end this friendly dispute, because "and not short enough it was".

Use the F! This is not the J-way! (<---that's exactly how stupid the M-count sounds to me every time )

On topic, an easy 9.5/10 for the episode. Would have been 10/10 if they had said Midichlorian count!

 

I wouldn’t be bothered by it if they used the term midi-chlorians when Hemlock is speaking directly to Palpatine. Then I would agree that m-count is just worldbuilding shorthand. The fact that it’s used in every single instance really makes it feel like someone went over the script and deleted very instance of midi-chlorians. Boo!

 

Just like they removed every mention of Ben Quadrinos

 

Well, Palpatine is something of a scientist himself since Plagueis "taught his apprentice everything he knew", thus by he can understand and use shortened terms.

 

Sure but why use the shorthand in every conversation. It’s not that much more abbreviated in spoken word. The simple change of “m-count replication” to “midi-chlorian replication”. I think would have been a more effective line and sounded better. And it would have clarified what an m-count was to some of the audience who aren’t reading guides and didn’t pick it up.

 

Give us the midichlorian cut Jennifer!

 

Actually, shortened scientific terms are just as likely to be used with laypersons as scientists. So it works either way.

It’s much more abbreviated in spoken word. Midichlorian is five syllable nonsense. M-count is two syllable nonsense. Also, audiences that don’t know what an M-count is won’t know what a midichlorian count is either.

My point is simply that we can’t accuse the creators of doing this because of aversion to the M-word. There’s no evidence of that. Could it be the case? It’s possible. But they’re innocent until proven guilty. And in the meantime, there are perfectly rational in-universe reasons for it. Especially as Filoni has not been shy at all about introducing all kinds of PT elements. That’s character evidence in his favor.

 

I care.

Well, not really, but that's kinda my go-to response.

 

I also CR.

 

It makes zero difference to me which way they say it. But as evidence that this is quite possibly true, I give you episode ix. Disney overreacted to discourse over the direction of episode viii. And spent far too much time erasing it in the next movie. It's not the only example of disney thinking the loud crowd is the majority, which is rarely, if ever, true.

 

I have been wondering why the Bounty Hunters who actually trained the clones haven't showed up yet

 

Those two from TCW were rather cynic towards clones (at least one of them), so they probably left Kamino without much fuss after the Empire changed rules. After all, they were not Traviss' Mandalorians.

 

So Palpatine is going to download his DNA into Omega's midichlorians and then they'll make a vaccine out of her blood and everyone will have to take it survive Space-Covid, and Palpatine will be in everyone in the galaxy forever.

is it sorta like that?

 

Ep 1 was very deep, more than you expect from an animated series intended for children. The quality was all there in the writing, outstanding start!!!

 

We don’t really know

 

I'll take that as a 'yes' .

 

If you want to

 

I was very indecisive on this one, but I'm going with a 10. I had given the same to Reunion and Bounty Lost, though in hindsight I think those are more like 9s.

This episode gets it largely by stylistic distinction. It really is like poetry, and it even rhymes within itself! Conveying a lot of things visually, even if that means it's not all totally clear, is very fitting for a place full of secrecy. It's (perhaps oddly) kind of fun to follow the repeated elements. I like the overhead shots of the sampling room, especially with personnel moving clockwise, right before cutting to the testing device. There's also a bit of a horror flair with the latter, in the timing of its sound and rotation, and cutting to a closeup when that happens.

But then, some things differ as the episode progresses, down to the morning-routine melody modulating the second time through, or the faucet drips being audible first (with no visual) just before the surprise inspection. Even the opening shuttle crash shows that not everything is adhering to routine.

On the character level, I love that Omega's still a child, still has that brightness and optimism, yet is also more hardened, even compared to last season. Here her strongest attachments are behind bars (Crosshair, Batcher, and escape). In a way, it's a full-circle scenario for her, and her comparative question to Nala Se about the work they're doing may be a nod to that in the writing. I like the new hairstyle, too. The dialogue with Crosshair is interesting. He's still frosty, but seems more conversational here, or at least conversational in a way he wasn't before.

Emerie's still intriguing. I like that there's a bit more info about her background, and that gives me hope for yet more. I love that not only does she return the doll, but that we only get the audio cue at first. It's a detail that fits with the overall style of the episode, and I think it also works as a cue that Batcher is okay before being shown -- a welcome, optimistic ending.

As an aside on Hemlock: I don't know if Jimmi Simpson adjusted anything in the performance, or if it's something in the sound mixing, but to me he's blending into the character more at this point.

 

Technically (nerd alert) , "m-count replication" and "midichlorian replication" cannot be used interchangeably... it would be "midichlorian count replication".
As in replicating the same amount per unity of midichlorian ( eg 1000 midichlorians/ml ).
So you should use "midichlorian count replication" which is way more looooong ;oP

 

I’d say the quality lies mostly in the visual presentation of the script, which was excellent. Bad direction could’ve easily made this kind of thing uninteresting.