Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 310: Heroes On Both Sides Discussion Thread

The new looks are well done IMO, nice to see Obi and Anakin moving towards their ROTS attire.

 

Completely agreed. It's not ROTS models but it's close and actually shows some sort of push in the timeline. So would we say were near the end of 22 BBY? Maybe even in the first month of 21 BBY?

They can keep the Phase I clone armor pretty long as I believe(don't quote me) that they had the Phase I armor for 2 years and the Phase II for 1 year? Though with this show they might just make it a 1 1/2 for each type of armor.

 

Actually, TCW has been in 21 BBY since that Star Wars Annual 2011 magazine was released (the film onwards, but we don't know for sure if everything. The magazine said the film, certain episodes like the Geonosis arc). Knowing TCW, you can't expect them to be consistent with canon. Pretty much the CW timeline is a wreck, and everything is out of order because of TCW.

 

No more of Anakin's armor.



Though I do enjoy the new looks all around Obi-wans being my favorite. I have to say I'm quite excited to see a duel welding Jedi for once other then it being improvised I guess I may be alone here.

 

Other than Ahsoka, it would have been fine.

 

You mean the episodes that weren't prequel so far.

To be honest I didn't know that. So we literally haven't seen much of 22 BBY in this show?

 

Until the official timeline has been established, nothing in TCW is in 22 BBY so far.

I can see certain clone episodes, like Clone Cadets, to be in 22 BBY. 21 BBY is pretty much less condensed and they have room to work, but their is still a lot of material in that year. Battle of Jabiim is one of them, and Anakin was still a Padawan.
We can discuss this more in the continuity thread.

As for Heroes on Both Sides, we're probably roughly near 20. It cannot be in ROTS' year of 19, 16:5. It's in the fifth month, and that's way too close to ROTS.

 

Thing that most surprised me was the fact in that promo to show off the new looks they had Anakin do the two handed overhead starting stance. Don't think they've done that so far in the show. Might have been better if they had done Obi's starting stance (lightsaber overhead pointing at opponent with off hand pointing at the opponent), but it seems like it's picking a nit a little too much.

Like Ahsoka's new look, had a little problem with her previous one just because it's hard to see someone wearing a tube top onto a battlefield. New outfit at least covers up everything better, and all the complaining about the cleavage hole, no back, and the diamond cut outs up her side are being a little too sensitive about it. It's not like she's wearing it to get the attention of boys. In the movies we've only seen Togruta's on the far end of the scales. On one end you have the 40-50 year old Shaak Ti. A Togruta who's old enough and has been a Jedi for a very long time that she doesn't care to wear anything but Jedi robes. She finds them practical and very comfortable. Then on the other end you have the 5 year old Togruta who seems to be just a normal 5 year old. She's given robes to wear and doesn't know any better.

But Ahsoka is the rebellious teenager. She doesn't want to wear the standard Jedi robes and picks an outfit that allows her that freedom of choice. In fact I think this line is what the writers want out of Ahsoka:

Ahsoka has a sense of independence that Togruta look for in their leaders, while also proclaiming herself an oddball as a Jedi. Shaak Ti is a good Jedi, from what we've seen from Ahsoka is that she's cur from the same cloth that Anakin is. Add to that, not wearing Jedi robes allows her the ability to blend into a crowd better as long as she hides her Lightsaber. Though before the end of the series I do want to see an Ahsoka character model that is dressed in full Jedi robes used for an episode. Maybe she has to go to a formal event with Anakin or something and has to wear something that pronounces her as a Jedi (pretty sure she hasn't been put in that situation yet).

 

Well that gives TCW still the rest of 21 BBY and 20 BBY and even the early months of 19 BBY. Though from the looks of it they will continue with this show past the 100 episodes and 5 seasons. I just hope they don't squish so much like they have already.

Though with how TCW likes to fiddle with the timeline I'm sure we'll see plenty of more episodes with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka in their armor and tube tops.


Back to the topic on hand though. I'm kind of intrigued with this episode, I've been saying since Season 1(and all over this board whenever I get the chance ) I wanted to see a "hero" on the Separatist side. Someone who really believes in the Separatist cause but I was thinking on the sides of a warrior not a politician(from the looks of it). The side battle is interesting too, why are those droids there? What are they attacking and why? Is it that important that General Grievous is there?

Could this possibly be our long awaited prison break episode? Yet the prison breakout is only a minor story in this episode while Padme and Ahsoka have the main story.

 

hmm, Obi-wan definitely looks better, liking the Open Circle Fleet sigils on his gauntlets. Anakin doesn't seem to have changed that much apart from the armor removal. Hopefully they deal with Ahsoka getting the shoto, if it just shows up - eh what am I talking about they'll just do a prequel episode later.

I recall seeing a Tartakovsky style Ventress in the CV trailer, I wonder what her other looks are. I couldn't help noticing they don't mention Grievous. I wonder if he's going to be missing fingers the whole show.

As for the episode, I'm hoping this is the episode where they introduce the complexity that both sides in this war are wrong. Hopefully that's what Filoni and the title are alluding to anyway.

 

Maybe what happens in this episode is that Padme goes to see her friend and she manages to put a good case for why her planet left the Republic. She convinces Padme that much of what is said about the Separatists is wrong and they are not all interested in war, because she wants a peaceful solution. But at the same time Coruscant is attacked which puts a damper on things and their relationship breaks down.

 

Maybe. I think they actually look a lot like his Episode III robes.

I'm going to miss those old armors, though. I wouldn't mind some variety, though I'm guessing they'll use the outfits to establish timelines for future episodes.

I like Ahsoka's new look.

 

Who cares- robes are robes- there is no "padawan robes" Obi-Wan's robes are pretty similar in all prequels.... i like new models but i don't like the way they suddenly do the timejump and everything changes Lighting in pictures look pretty bad- only ahsoka's model looks finished Anakin and Obi-Wan has odd shine in them but it's not in the episodes itself i believe... Ahsoka's shoto... it's old rumour that happens to be true... kinda cool- but somehow funny at the same time- are they going to actually turn her "cool jedi" wow never thought that would be possible.... her outfit is bit odd with peepholes all over but she is still nothing compared to halfnaked Aayla Secura.....

I'm worried about this separatist issue- will we finally see how Trade Federation and Banking clan will lose their senators?... or is it this pointless "you have no proof!" debate again and nothing changes in the senate ... so Raxus is separatist capital - that makes sense since Raxus Prime is supposedly sep-world so i would imagine they are in the same system or same sector- of course name "Raxus" can be some ancient name meaning something and because of that there could be several worlds named "Raxus" without problems (like there is several Guineas and Londons and Springfields on Earth) ... still i fear that this will confuse- especially younger viewers who are familiar with junkplanet Raxus Prime and now suddenly there is separatist world Raxus which is not Prime nor junkplanet.... confusing

 

New models give me hope. Hope that the jumping around in the timeline is over. They can't use the new models for prequels to episodes that used the old models so they'll be forced to drive the timeline forward - and hopefully stick with a linear storyline.

 

Damn it! No Viceroy Nute Gunray this time either. I like Lott Dod but I want to see other Neimoidians like Lok Durd, Mar Tuuk (we have seen his "clones" though but they don't really count to me) and of course Nute Gunray. I was very disappointed that he wasn't in Sphere of Influence when Tom Kenny could have voiced him. I'm still going to hope he's showing up in the future and now, when they are redesigning characters, he could be in his Ep III outfit. I also agree with Barriss_Coffee, it would have been nice to see San Hill in a Banking Clan present episode. They should also release him along with the other seperatist leaders soon, I think.

 

they can- but i definitely hope they won't. I hope this new arch is supposedly some months after Hunt for Ziro... maybe even half a year or full year... it's ridiculous if looks of characters start to change like in soap operas- in which children grow up from 5-year old to 15-year old in one night it also opens up new slots for eu-stories making timelining easier

 

I think we are going to see free San Hill at some point without any explanation.....

 

It certainly gives US a fresh point of reference of before and after. Of course, that doesn't mean they can't make NEW prequels or midquels for the new models, or reuse the old models for other prequels while keeping the better expressions.

 

Maybe we'll see Grievous kick some butt, or even better, a seperatist victory of some kind.

 

Grievous kicking butt... damn i want to see that happening... perhaps Bontari betrays CIS and Grievous kill her GG needs redemption- guy is clown in this series... Intrigue was good but all other eps with him are lame what comes to his persona... ok Lair of Grievous was ok too- he can be coward- but dangerous coward... in TCW he is not much more dangerous than a battle droid

 

Its true, he is a really cool character that is being wasted on episode that the Republic doesn't only win, but they really show that Grievous is a weak coward. I wanna see the Jedi hunter Grievous. Not the "Oooo, I would've gotten way with it too if It weren't for you meddling Jedi and you're padawan". I mean really he went against Ahsoka in "Duel of the Droids" and couldn't kill her? I know that he was ready to kill her, but she overpowered him and escaped.

 

NO!

 

Don't you dare even joke of such atrocities! I've been waiting for his valiant prison break since 2003!

 

Not actually- i liked that duel- Grievous overpowered Ahsoka and she escaped not another way around like you said- she has advantage being small, fast and agile and force-sensitive- but she had to retreat all the time and she was the one who escaped at first- until Grievous understood that whole station is going down then Ahsoka managed to cut his hand and escape- but Grievous won the duel and nearly killed her- he would've killed her easily- if anakin and clones wouldn't have been there blowing up station's vital parts.... that episode actually portrayed Grievous properly- he owned clones pretty nicely too.. but i didn't like other parts in that episode like musical themes and animation and overall plot

.... in other eps (except Lair, Intrigue and maybe that Duel of the Droids) Grievous has been laughing stock- Arc-troopers especially didn't have good portrayal of him- he just did same things again- commanded fleet- lost battle- fought Obi-Wan and escaped... he could've killed a jedi, win a battle or something new... i really hope Heroes on Both sides don't have new Grievous vs. Obi duel Deserter was good episode but hunting Grievous was not it's main plot and that side plot really was not very good....

So have I but i fear that day will never come ... i wouldn't be surprised if Wat Tambor is suddenly free as well (Episode guide says "they somehow escaped" and Lucasfilm thinks it's justifies the illogical appearances or something )


I'm secretly (well actually not secretly anymore) hoping that Grievous' cleaning droids are meant to do the prison break at last ..... probably not though ...