Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 310: Heroes On Both Sides Discussion Thread

Well, that's if they get caught. The thing is, though, governments have been making secret alliances and deals with each other for a multitude of reasons for centuries. The real world resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis is a great example of one. If the Republic were to extend an "olive branch" to the CIS publicly, it'd make them look weak and public confidence could fall. Better to test the waters in secret first and lay some ground work before attempting to publicly open negotiations.

That said I'm sure this secret mission isn't Palpatine's idea. I can't even begin to imagine what purpose it would serve him unless he hoped to lead them into a trap and get them out of the way so they stop distracting Anakin. I will be interested, though, to find out just what motivated Padme to go out on her own and do this. I imagine doing something like this without Palpatine's approval could definitely be seen in a bad light.

 

I'd rather see Victories on Both Sides than Heroes.


I generally like the new models, though. On the other hand, I'm not really excited about the plot outline for the episode. It's a wonder Padme survived the war.

 

Not really. She survived it for all of, what, about ten minutes?

 

She did survive. She wasn't a casualty of the war.

 

Hmm, guess I shouldn't quit my day job.

 

Yessir. It's about time we actually saw a Separatist victory for once. And where are all the civilians and population of Sep space? We've never actually really seen the regular joes of the CIS. It's always droids droids droids neimoidian droids droids

 

No, obviously we all wanted some more wooden dialogue about how important democracy is and how diplomacy would really work but you won't let it. Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya.

 

Drunk Lando brings up a good point. What would be the nature of the peace agreement? The CIS want to leave, the Republic does not want them too...there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for negotiation there.

Course, they could just call for a cease fire and then let later discussions handle the actual issues. Like how the Korean War is still in the middle of a truce.

Though I have a feeling the episode won't deal it with directly. For some reason their political episodes tend to skimp on the actual politics.

 

I'm kinda bumming, actually. I was so excited to see Anakin's new model...and he looks pretty much the same. The robes look great, but I think the hair is still off for me. It's probably because the way Anakin's hair was in ROTS might be difficult to capture with this style of animation.

But yeah, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka look good. Obi-Wan's head is looking a bit too big for his body, but that might be the angle of the picture. I absolutely love the picture with Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka together though.

 

Genndy didn't seem to have trouble.

 

Explanation: Anakin got a bad haircut. Tip: Don't let Padme cut your hair. No matter how good she says she is.

 

I am so glad someone saw where I was going with that.

 

Well, we may not get an actual episode preview this week, but color me impressed because I am absolutely loving the new character models.

The description of this episode? Not so much. First, how is it that the Banking Clan can be an entity that has Senate oversight, yet also has representatives voting in the Senate? And why try to limit that oversight if, like the Trade Federation, they are neutral - meaning they could easily start lending large amounts of money and credit to the Seperatists to fuel their war machine? And for that matter, if there is oversight, how come no one has noticed anything suspicious that ties the banking clan to the seperatists? The cynic in me is guessing that all of this is just the show setting up some "real-world" political strawmen.

Well, since the CIS was created in order to force the Republic to meet the demands of the seceeding Guilds/Corporations/individual worlds, Padme's peace effort might be to find some compromise that could generally meet the demands of the separatists, while reaffirming the authority of the galactic government on Coruscant. Or, as you suggested, that they could be discussing a cease-fire, just stopping the fighting to make way for the two factions to negotiate a settlement.

However, whether Padme's goals are either of these, it still makes absolutely no sense for her to go directly to a Seperatist controlled world, much less the capital! As someone mentioned earlier, this could make her look like a Seperatist sympathizer, though even worse it could be a trap.

Even if it is a secret meeting, wouldn't it be smarter to hold a secret meeting on a neutral planet, where there's a much smaller risk of being found out by either side? This just seems like such a stupid, naive, and amatuerish thing for experienced "Clone Wars" diplomat Padme to do, but then again the movies' Padme never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

One final note - when I first saw the phrase "Heroes on both sides" during the Revenge of the Sith opening crawl, I had always assumed they meant "heroes" in the more classical, pagan sense of the word meaning "an individual who faces great adversity and emerges triumphant." In that sense of the word you could call Dooku, Ventress, and yes, even Grievous all "heroes." That, to me, would've made for a far more interesting concept of an episode.

 

Dooku was a hero to many in the CIS. It was his charismatic nature that wooed them into joining and they probably feel that his power and skills will give them a better chance at victory in the war, or at least not being defeated and forced to rejoin the Republic.

 

Well i disagree- actually all political episodes without him have sucked- i liked Senate Spy, Supply lines and Sphere of influence , Corruption and Academy sucked , Senate Murders and Assassin were ok- but not good..... still I want to see Lott saying something other than "We are neutral" or "Nute Gunray has no influence on us" kind of stuff for once- that's quite clear already

 

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Loving Ahsoka's new model. She looks hot!!

 

Thank you smudger9, I thought that I was the only one who thought that she looked hot.

 

I agree with this. But are the creators trying to throw in their own political beliefs, or are they using current political ideas because they think it will be easier for the audience to relate, even if it doesn't make sense in the story.

The only logical, in universe, reason I can think right now is that Palpatine is having funds diverted, and he doesn't want the senate to know what he is spending money on.

 

I also found this "government oversight" and Banking Clan to be quite coincidental given the real world issues with the collapse of banking and economic problems. Of course, GL brought in the Banking Clan way back in AotC in 2002. So is he prescient or did he just get lucky in his ideas about what forces would be involved in a galactical schism?

Regardless, an episode about "government oversight" seems a bit heavy for the target audience of TCW. It's not good to assume that a younger audience wouldn't understand it, but it doesn't seem very Star Warsy.

 

Well there is that huge debate whether or not it's appropriate for 15 year old girl to look "hot" Anyway it's true that Ahsoka's new style is both "hot" and "cool" ... but appropriate for her?... i cannot say.... she started as snippy padawan kiddie... and now she is suddenly badass jedihottie Her change happens bit too fast- they need to do prequels with Ahsoka changing bit by bit- practising the usage of shoto and all- it's odd if she suddenly starts to use two sabers- and new outfit (which is- perhaps- bit too sexy for her) and her body develops suddenly- how that happened...in one night?- whew! In one morning Ahsoka noticed that her pants and tubetop were suddenly too small... so she decided to purchase a new outfit .... with whose credits?...Jedi Temple's money? ... well at least holes in her outfit really saves the clothingmaterial... is it some sort of leather.. synthetic leather perhaps?

 

Was poisoned tea Star Warsy? ... I hope they would do good political episode for once and explain further that nature of the sep-movement... who is openly sep- who is neutral...who is sep but claims to be neutral and so on....it's now very confusing- it should be too of course- because Palpatine confuses politics for his purposes- he wants to show that senate is mess and it's not working- but still more explanation for this mess wouldn't be bad- if only they wouldn't do mixture of politics and childishness like they did with academy or politics and pure cr*p like they did in corruption

 

Edit: Nevermind.

 

It wasn't even poisoned tea. "Poisoned" implies that it was deliberate. It was "incorrectly processed" tea because people were cutting corners due to corruption and bribery.

 

Palpatine needing to divert funds isn't a bad answer, but he's been a Sith Lord for n years and Chancellor for 10+ years.

It's already clearly established that Palps can run both sides of the war without interference.