Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 311: Pursuit of Peace Discussion Thread

As to Satine being in the Senate, I see no problem with that. Mandalore is neutral in the war, but is still in the Republic.

 

It's not. The 3rd act is worth watching because of the last scene.

 

Palpatine being evil, right? The series should show more of that.

 

Satine is there when Onaconda dies, and she also listened to Padmé's other speech in 'Senate Murders'. She probably got interested about the whole peace offer with the CIS and went to Coruscant to look what became of it. After all, it is implied that Padmé and Ahsoka went to and back from Raxus via Mandalore, so Satine could even have gone with them to Coruscant when they returned.

 

It isn't the worst episode, but I don't think I would watch it again.

More fridge logic: Padme's aide is that poor...yet Padme wears all these extravagant dress and wigs? Throws parties for her senate buddies, causally travels across the galaxy and keeps getting her fancy chrome spaceships blown up....and yet it doesn't seem she pays that well. Plus, if things were that bad, how could she not know. the point of the episode is to show that Padme listens...but it gives me the opposite impression.

Plus, if they are telling stories, then maybe they should tell Numa's story. About how her parents were killed, her planet starved and her people enslaved, only to be saved by Clone Troopers.

Despite how much I am writing, I really didn't think the episode was stupid...just a lot of fridge logic. Things that didn't add up quite right.

 

DarthVengeant wrote:

"For those who only want action and fight then your in the wrong franchise. Go watch a Silvester Stallone movie. Star Wars is as much about character development and quiet time as much as it is about war and fighting."




I feel that this statement is so wrong when it comes to what 99,999% of the fans of Star Wars are after. From 1977 and till this day the popularity of this series has been based on cool Sci-fi action, chiefly on a group of fighters that use lazer swords. Sure, it has great characters, a fascinating story, memorable dialogue and fantastic music, but if there was ever a Sci-fi franchise that was first and foremost about cool action scenes, then..Star...WARS...is?It.

 

GGrievous, I would watch this episode if I were you. Padme is still annoying, but she doesn't make you want to pull your hair out like before. And there are many nice details, among which is Palpatine's monologue.

 

Are you quoting someone, or are those your own words? Either way, I don't think such a tiny percent of fans want nothing but laser swords and war explosions.

 

But is it really too much to ask for these elements to not include fridge logic like the wealthy Padme paying her handmaiden chump change, and having five million new troops bankrupt the Republic while social services for trillions of citizens on a million or so worlds won't result in the same outcome? With these glaring inconsistancies, it's no wonder if a good number of viewers hate it whenever CWAS handles politics.

 

As far as the connections to real world issues I have started to think that many of these political issues episodes could be shown in schoolrooms by fanboy teachers in an attempt to make our real world politics more palatable and a bit more exciting to children. The Young Indy series kinda was shooting to be educational in the same way. I am not totally opposed to this but I?d hate the show to become ONLY this way.

 

"Are you quoting someone, or are those your own words? Either way, I don't think such a tiny percent of fans want nothing but laser swords and war explosions."


Oh I agree with that, but I feel that the action part is a very integral part of the star wars movies, they are action movies. There is a lot more than that to them, but they are action movies. I just dont see how anyone could feel that they arent.


edit: I was quoting DarthVengeant

 

I have to say despite all the negative feedback I thought this was a solid episode, it kept me hooked throughout.

One criticism people seem to be jumping on is Padmes seemingly ignorance of the money spent on her lifestyle while her handmaiden suffers, but this point is been made in isolation of the rest of the episode. Padme is called up on this fact by the Aqualish senator, then quickly realises her ignorance in a nicely animated closeup shot. She makes the effort to listen to her handmaiden after this realisation. It shows she's been so wrapped up in the larger scale of things she's forgotten what matters. This episode particularly showed Padme as human ,sometimes doubtfull of her abilities and capable of mistakes but not afraid to rectify them . It may be worth noting after the Aqualish meeting Padmes outfit became less grand, more humble until given the headpiece to wear to play her role in the senate.

If it wasn't for the amount of political episodes we've seen already, I feel this one would have been a standout episode as one of the best of its kind. As it stands however ,sadly I don't think it is getting the appreciation it deserves purely on the string of episodes that have preceeded it numbing us to any episode now featuring Padme.

My only real criticism is the highly sexualised twileks, as awesome as they were animated [and as an illustrator i can appreciate everyone loves to create hot cartoon ladies ] i just felt they were a bit out of place in a kids show. Yeah we had the ones at the hutt council which i thought were great but the nature of their dance was a little more showy and less sleazy than this sin city inspired one. This scene was very well done though I was just conscious of the audience the show is aimed at.

One thing that is really bugging me about these boards and one reason i stopped reading for a while is the high level of negativity shown to episodes by people who haven't even seen the episodes. Watch it and then form your opinion otherwise you have no valid point to make in the discussion.

 

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Yes! I want to see some other kinds of species portrayed as hookers and strippers in the series. The insistence for them to always be Twi'lek is starting to be boarderline racism.

 

You answered your own question- 5 million clones are expensive- especially when you have to use money for social services too- no one said they wouldn't have money for clones if they cut social services- problem is that Republic has income and outcome and every extra consumes may cause bankrupcy... kaminoans are galaxy's best cloners and using their technology is not cheap... i don't think if it's never stated anywhere how much republic uses money for services of it's people or are planets doing that themselves... how about taxation- they tax big companies but what about citizens... i don't think it's ever stated- if they continue politics they should hire someone expert in politics and it would be interesting to see how Galactic Republic works.... for now some action added to this show- is number one thing- they've done better politics lately though....

 

It's re-used model (surprise surprise ) of Twi'lek girl with fleshtoned bodysuit- we wouldn't see naked girl in this series.... pity but true
Still i would like to see Humandancer for once or rodian like Greeata or something completely crazy like dancing ithorian or something in case they really have to show dancers even more ...Still interesting detail that this episode shows new kind of interspecies relationship Twi'lek man has humanbabe on his side... we have seen it other way around twi'lek girl and human man... refreshing to see that someone in the galaxy is still dating human women ... even if it's twilek swooper... anyway i think show overuses twi'leks... in movies they were one of the most common species but not that usual- Ishi Tib, Gran, Snivvian...human . those seem to be common in movies but tcw shows just twi'leks, rodians and weequays

 

I don't want to start a problem but take that back please. There is no logic in this.

They might have been boring since only 3/12 of those renowned, respected, wise, powerful, and skilled Jedi get speaking roles.

 

I will respond to your points only because I have the opurtunity to show my thoughts on the episode as well.

1) You haven't even seen the episode. I actually was expecting a fail-episode, but it was one of TCW's best. So don't judge a book by its cover.

2)It is not unreal that Padme gains the support of a large number of Senators. She is a very prominent member in the Senate. It's just like real-world politics. Linclon's Gettysburg Address, for example, reached out to millions.

3)The handmaiden was an example of how the war affects the common people. Any politician would do the same.

4)They did not desire to stop funding the Clones just because of the handmaiden. Padme's story about her handmaiden was an example used in an attempt to wake up the other Senators - to show them how much suffering on a personal/economic level the ordinary people in the Republic are suffering as a result of the war.

5)Padme's the Senator of an entire sector, not just the planet of Naboo. And her demands? She was showing them reality.

6)If I were a senator and I saw Padme make that speech, I would not think of just the Naboo system. I would think of the people I am supposed to be representing - that's how she got through to the Senate - each saw Padme's plan as what was best for his/her people. I would care because if a prominent world like Naboo was struggling, mine will as well, if it is not already struggling.

7)Why is Naboo struggling not realistic? The war has nearly bankrupted the Republic! Imagine the consequences for a single sector/system!!!

I give this episode 8.5/10 Well done TCW! I'm actually excited for more Padme now! (Seriously!)

 

Padme should let her staff take showers in her palatial apartment. I'm guessing there's a spare "fresher".

She has a staff member who is so poor her children bathe once every two weeks?!? Give her a raise!!!

 

Ok, I've just watched this over, a few more thoughts.

Practically everyone involved in the peace effort was attacked this episode. This doesn't send a message to anyone not Padme that just maybe the Republic and Separatist attacks weren't on the level?

The social services issues aren't necessarily purely budget related. Padme's wording was that her aide's family lived like that "as a result of the war." If they're living like that because wherever they are was attacked and never repaired, it makes sense and lines up with the fact that description sounds remarkably like how post-war Baghdad was for several years. Repairs would cost a lot more than just paying the bills. I noticed in the scene where Onaconda is attacked there's a voice talking about a mandatory blackout in progress and telling citizens to report to designated safe areas - if this is a measure taken after the power station bombing, it works too, though the designated safe areas bit makes it sound like an air raid drill, which is bizarre.

The clone numbers are garbage. They were garbage when Traviss came up with them, they're even more garbage after hearing Padme talk about regular soldiers from "thousands of systems loyal to the Republic." However, I recall Traviss writing the clones were massively outnumbered against quintillions of battle droids, as well as Dooku saying droids outnumber the clones 100-1 back in Ambush. Why is 3 million more droids enough to prompt Onaconda to say the Seps will wipe them out?

 

One criticism people seem to be jumping on is Padmes seemingly ignorance of the money spent on her lifestyle while her handmaiden suffers, but this point is been made in isolation of the rest of the episode. Padme is called up on this fact by the Aqualish senator, then quickly realises her ignorance in a nicely animated closeup shot. She makes the effort to listen to her handmaiden after this realisation. It shows she's been so wrapped up in the larger scale of things she's forgotten what matters. This episode particularly showed Padme as human ,sometimes doubtfull of her abilities and capable of mistakes but not afraid to rectify them . It may be worth noting after the Aqualish meeting Padmes outfit became less grand, more humble until given the headpiece to wear to play her role in the senate.
A good point. A very good point indeed.

 

I'll probably watch this at some point but I can't say I'm very interested. I've watched every terrible episode so far, why stop now?

Question - how was Padme's model? When I was watching the speeder chase scene in the preview, I didn't like the look of that model.

 

Actually the second half a new Padme model is featured wearing a what can only be described as a "dress slip". Watch it in commerical-free 720p it's not that bad.o

 

Meh. It's a matter of opinion.

Sorry, but until I see a Council meeting like this, they're all going to be boring exposition-fests where little is accomplished. Few of the truly interesting Jedi ever speak and, even when they do, the stuff they say is almost always so generic you could swap the lines around to different characters and nobody would know the difference. Plus, we rarely see any significant debates or interesting discussion.

It's always "You there, go on this mission of the week." or "You're in trouble, but we're not really going to punish you." or "Hmmm. The Force is telling me something. But it's cloudy. Let's go to Biscuit Baron for a big batch of breakfast bantha burgers."

Actually, strike that. That last one had more character than 90% of the Council meetings we've ever seen. Put together.

 

Eh, keep in mind that the Remnant at the time was...eight backwater sectors. They couldn't be hardcore and balls-to-the-wall ruthless because they had spent the last fifteen years being reduced to weakness. The Republic encompasses the majority of the Galaxy. Tax-farming the Core alone would give them enough money to fund most of the war. Where is the SW Galaxy's equivalent of Crassus when you need him?