The Empire is NOT bad....

"If there are no absolutes, does that mean under certain circumstances, rape is justified?"

I think you're trying to use a Jedi mind trick to divert my argument. Whether or not something is justified doesn't exactly hit my point head on. But I'll give you a hypothetical to chew on to at least satisfy the question. Let's say a man is brutally beaten and tortured by a woman then she murders his family, he rapes her for revenge. Perhaps my example is extreme and unlikely, but stretch your mind a bit. Justice is a measure of balance between action and reaction.

I've had this discussion with my fiancé about pedophiles. Are they evil? Most pedophiles are the victims of other pedophiles. That's how they got that way in the first place. Their minds are warped by the trauma that has occurred. So if we catch a pedophile, should we put his victims to death to prevent them from becoming pedophiles. They too have been infected by the seed of evil.

 

Hitler said he wanted peace...And he is horrible!
Killing 10000's of innosent people for "peace" is not good!
And revenge is not good.Killing thousands because they killed thousands does not solve anything.

 

man plenty of people have been molested and are not pedofiles. Pedofiles are evil plain and simple should we execute them because of this, depends on the severity of the crime, however they should not be allowed to mingle in society, lock them up and throw away the key. They rape the innocence from children, moral relativity is ridiculous, and making excuse for those tha commit a crime is stupid. I mean if someone kills someone, they should be held responsible. I am tired of people making excuses for everything, bite the bullet and take the blame man.

 

halfwits-r-us posted on 6/7/05 7:57pm

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man plenty of people have been molested and are not pedofiles. Pedofiles are evil plain and simple should we execute them because of this, depends on the severity of the crime, however they should not be allowed to mingle in society, lock them up and throw away the key. They rape the innocence from children, moral relativity is ridiculous, and making excuse for those tha commit a crime is stupid. I mean if someone kills someone, they should be held responsible. I am tired of people making excuses for everything, bite the bullet and take the blame man.
[hr][/blockquote] The thing is though, as much as we have a conscious will to do certain things, how much can you separate that will from a person's genetic makeup and their envirionment and upbringing, both of which shape their neural pathways into thinking and behaving certain ways? There clearly has to be a line drawn somewhere, but I don't think it's that easy to draw all the time.

 

Society sets up certain standards, ever since the days of Hammurabi, that citizens are to abide by. Pedofilia is inexcusable, no matter what, I know people who were sexually abused, they have emotional problems sure and have sought therapy, but they don't rape children. It is the last thing in their mind. People have free will, despite their environment and genetic make up, there are plenty of people that have alcoholic parents and because of this they don't drink. There are many that do. As for drawing the line, it is not easy to do thus, the glut of laws we have. MOst of which for the trial lawyer's personal gain.

 

If that's what you think, go ahead and move to North Korea. Enjoy yourself.


Or save yourself the trip. We're on an even faster road to it here.

 

maybe lucas shouldve made the jedi look extra heroic and the sith extra evil in rots

 

umm did you see the movie, did you see palpatine did you see anakin's eyes... oh wait sarchasm, my bad.

 

"1: Devote military and economic resources to fighting resurgent Islamist fervour and Jihad ethic in the middle east. (Right Wing)"

Awesome. Anyone for fried Islama-bobs?

Oi vey.

Wait, that's a Jewish exclaimation. Better watch it or I'll be labeled as "one of them."

 

I just wanted to say again, the Empire is not bad, why some may ask, well, as any organization, it is not only composed of its leaders, but also of its people. The only truly truly evil person is Sidious/Palpatine/Emperor, there are a few others such as Tarkin and Isard that are simply lesser evils, but it is the people that make it up. The people are not evil, and to say the empire is evil is to be racist to all Imperials of the Galaxy. As proof, after the evil leaders had been killed the Empire became a rather good organized institution. So it is true that they have performed atrocities, but so have most organizations, and they are not evil because the people as a whole are not evil.

 

Awesome. Anyone for fried Islama-bobs?

Oi vey.

Wait, that's a Jewish exclaimation. Better watch it or I'll be labeled as "one of them."

Hmm, sarcasm or not, who can tell?

 

I think the moment Anakin fully turned to the dark side was when he told Obi-Wan "I hate you" (there I said it, now are you happy? You made me miss my mommy!)

 

Anybody who thinks the Empire is not evil is the same kind of person that voted for Bush.

I love you Eurfan!

 

As for the murder of the Jedi children, what else was Vader supposed to do with them? They were already indoctrined in the lies of the Jedi. Perhaps they could have been converted, but to leave them alive would prove a danger to the Empire. They would remember their past training, and thus could spark flames of rebellion. It was surely a painful duty, but destroying all vestiges of the Jedi was a neccessary task to allow the Empire to flourish. The utter destruction of nobility or royal lines has been seen often in history, and even though it is regretable at times, it is also neccessary to prevent future problems down the line.

The killing of the Jedi Younglings was terrible, but how many more lives might they cost if allowed to live and possibly cause civil war? As civil war did occur,the Jedi Younglings, if left alive would certainly have joined the Rebel Alliance. Their presence would be even more troubling then Luke's was.

 

I do agree that the empire isnt evil cause it really is the republic only renamed, and all those of the empire want to destroy the sith, even moff tarkin wanted too, but didnt get a chance cause vader was there. he probably was going to kill vader before returning into the deathstar, but got blown to dust.

of course the empire becomes the republic again after the sith are destroyed in episode 6, and there all happy.

 

The killing of the Jedi Younglings was terrible, but how many more lives might they cost if allowed to live and possibly cause civil war? As civil war did occur,the Jedi Younglings, if left alive would certainly have joined the Rebel Alliance. Their presence would be even more troubling then Luke's was.

The Rebellion was just starting in ROTS and even if the Jedi were not around that wasnt stopping lUke or leia from bringing down the EMPIRE.

 

The Republic is evil, and the Empire is evil. They use sentient, brainwashed being [the clones]to fight their battles, without any concern. That is evil.

 

Well, most armies aren't brainwashed and they do something similar, so is every army bearing country evil? No.

 

The clones have no will or choice. Others that join all volunteer armies have the choice.

 

1) The clones follow their orders, because that is their purpose

2) IF it is ones choice then that makes it worse, sentience is were evil is born, choice is what brings it forth

 

The Republic is evil, and the Empire is evil. They use sentient, brainwashed being [the clones]to fight their battles, without any concern. That is evil.


Yes, the Empire is evil, but the Republic had no choice, use the clones or perish, and we all know who is responsible for creating the clones in the first place......Palpatine, and what does Palpatine go on to create?........the Empire, which is Evil.

 

The citizens of the Republic never even try to conscript an army during the 3 years of the Clone Wars.

Tra-la-la...We're all sitting around in the Alps of Alderaan or the waterfalls of Naboo while sentient beings that have been bred, brainwashed, and created for us to do our fighting fend off an army of droids.

 

well I think the point is the clones are used to fight without any concern to their well being. Other volunteer armies' soldiers survivability is important to the army. The army does not want to lose their solldiers, If the republic does than they can always order more.

 

I bet you, if cloning was legal, they'd probably use them just the same. War is wretched by nature, and so is whatever related to it, or it becomes

 

Tra-la-la...We're all sitting around in the Alps of Alderaan or the waterfalls of Naboo while sentient beings that have been bred, brainwashed, and created for us to do our fighting fend off an army of droids.

That is a good and funny point, but they must have regular people in support roles, Eg; star destroyer crew, maintenance, those are all important roles as well . the clones were superior soldiers . and don't forget the Jedi made a huge sacrifice as well.