ST The enigma of Vader's remains..

Okay- here's another thought: do you want to allow your father's remains to fall into anyone else's hands? Do want to allow neo-Sith to discover and worship what's left of your dad?

No; you close the door on any chance of him being martyred in that way. The location was obviously secret. Any traces of the event should have been swept away. Luke didn't erect a tombstone bearing the inscription: "Here lies Vader. Help yourself."

Whether some of you like it or not, Luke kept the helmet. He didn't do it to be creepy. He didn't put it on and take selfies for his Twitter account. He kept it for practical and personal reasons. & I'm sure he kept it securely under lock & key. Until Kylo took it from him.

 

are you disregarding spoilers? luke doesn't have it. he never had it because he didn't take it. no one knew vader's remains were on endor. they assume he died on the ds2. if kylo or someone else found it it's because of the force.

 

There is nothing in the spoilers that rules out the helmet being in Luke's possession until recently. Go back and read my previous posts.

 

other than there's no reason for him to have it.

 

Sure there is. I've counted the people at Vader's funeral multiple times. I keep coming up with 1. Luke Skywalker.

 

he wouldn't take it. luke wants nothing to do with vader.

 

And your theory is Kylo dug it up? After Uber found it with his metal detector? This is assuming they know Vader was interred on Endor & didn't perish on Death Star II. The dark side is definitely opportunistic; it also excels at manipulation. But it sucks at finding stuff. Like:

Droids with stolen Death Star plans
Luke Skywalker
Yoda
Rebel bases
The Millennium Falcon
A J-type 327 Nubian Royal Starship
Rebels in the Lothal system

 

That would be totally different.

 

“Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future…the past. Old friends long gone.”

That's all the explanation I need for Kylo to find the helmet.

 

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient Jedi religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you enough clairvoyance to find the rebels' hidden fortress.

And I don't care if you find my lack of faith disturbing. I doubt you can force choke me from wherever you're at.

 

True, out and out finding things you're looking for doesn't seem to work that well but force visions seem to be pretty spot on (Luke nailed Bespin pretty easily)...only problem is they don't seem to be a voluntary thing. Perhaps Kylo is plagued by Vader visions.

 

So who's going to torture Vader's helmet to spring the trap on Kylo? I suppose Wicket could use it as a cowbell for his drum set...

 

I'm leaning towards, people just go there to scavenge the battle sites, as they did with the crashed aircraft on Tatooine and such. Somebody finds the pyre; it's not a huge secret about where it is.

 

Forgive me here but you've forgotten something important... actually make that at least two things you've forgotten...

1) Darth Vader is the Emperor's Enforcer, effectively his second in command now even incapacitated it stands to reason they would be carrying means to summon help or better yet be tracked should one or the other let alone both go missing presumed killed in action better defined as Killed on the Death Star, which appears to have become quite popular thirty years ago...

2) Darth Vader is the Grand Master of the Inquisitors and apparently revered by the Storm troopers for his work ethic pertaining to Imperial Officers that better not annoy him.

My point is even burnt he has an apparently large number of Inquisitors who have good reason to want to find him especially as the Emperor was apparently killed and his remains should have been located probably a few days after that Victory Party since being 2nd in command it would be important to the unstable Empire to make sure their chain of command is stabilised as soon as possible.

So rather than Kylo find the remains I'd say the Inquisitors recovered his body and what we see is Kylo paying his respects.

Regarding Luke taking the remains with him, please remember that until ROTJ this guy was the most feared enforcer of the Empire. No matter where Luke transports his remains it will be noted and I doubt he'd want the remains tampered with so cremating it where he assumed it wouldn't be disturbed would work for the best.
But he wouldn't know if the Inquisitors have their own means of tracking Vader and just how much they actually know about his past so they could ignore the revelation that Leia is Luke's sister but just its more likely they know Luke is Vader's son.

 

Uber might have plans to resurrect Vader. This would explain why his helmet and lightsaber (well, Anakin's) is so fundamentally important.

 

I wonder if the acoustics of Vaders helmet differ from the stormies?

 

Or 'Uber' is Vader..

 

That'd be uber awful.

 

My only wish for these movies is that Vader stays dead. I can deal with a lot but that just seems over the line.

 

maybe Luke kept the helmet to remind himself of the danger of the dark side.

 

I think his hand does nicely for that.

 

What if Vaders remains emits darkside energy? He was the strongest force energy ever. I also think Uber could have been aware of where Vader was buried. What if he was tracking Luke all the way back then? But that leads me to why would he do that? So I think Kylo would be the only person with motive to find Vaders remains. If Kylo is related I could see Luke telling him where his grandfather remains are. I could also imagine Kylo being impatient with trying to learn how to communicate with Anakin thru the force. This pursuit of knowledge of Anakins life takes him to the easy more seductive path where Uber will use to his advantage. Espeacially if Uber created Anakin.

 

hmm... psychometry? Interesting...

 

Are we all on board that the suit contained a body? That he didn't dissipate like Yoda and Obi Wan?

Edit: I imagine that was covered somewhere sorry