A/V THE FORCE AWAKENS - The Official Movie Discussion Thread

Not just related, he was responsible for Han and Leia meeting. That gives him great significance to this relationship even if they'd known nothing else about him--the fact that he's actually this important historical figure and Luke's first mentor is gravy.

Anyway, I agree that Luke probably suggested it. Just because I can see the reasoning doesn't mean I think it'd necessarily have occurred to them on their own.

 

I just naturally assumed that Han's father was named Ben.

 

I also like it because it implies Luke having kids was never really a question.

Well wouldn't that be a twist ;-)

 

So anyway my new years resolution is to watch TFA at least once a month for all of 2016

 

My new year's wish is TFA Special Edition with Captain Phasma cut scenes included.

 

Kid in the middle probably had a real heck of a time trying to sit through ST: Into Darkness's magic Khan cure-all blood plot...

 

Well at least JJ admits it was a rip-off of ANH though he says it in a more polite way.

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Yes. And also, he did not say that at all.

So there's that.

There have been numerous articles that pull from that interview by now.

He talked about intentional parallels. Obvious parallels that were bare bones elements.

But excellent spin work on your part.

If you're trying to make your case (and want to be taken seriously), at least be honest about it.

An honest critique would go more in depth into what he said and show examples of how he's wrong.

I'd still disagree with you, but I'd at least respect your argument.

 

Through Rey, the Force is presented quite differently than it was in the other films. In all of the other films it was a skill people needed to develop and learn over a period of time. Now it seems more like a plot convenience to me. The plot required someone to duel Kylo Ren so Rey unlocks a new achievement.

Yes, the previous film gave us hints that someone was exceptional. An expert podracer(that spent time practicing before the big race) or Luke being the best pilot in the Other Rim - but nothing so bold as this.

 

I find that rather a shallow analysis. She's not actually presented as a credible sword fighter in the entire sequence. She looks unskilled, especially as she tries to thrust with the lightsaber. It looks clumsy. And for good reason, she's untrained. The only reason it worked with Kylo at all was because they had spent the entire start of that battle hammering it home that Kylo was seriously injured and it hampered his movement and mind state. They had built up the severity of the injury ever since Han and Chewie entered the film.

I also find this objection kind of curious. I mean, when you first watched The Empire Strikes Back did you think it was an unrealistic "achievement unlocked" moment when Luke visibly relaxes and is suddenly able to pull his lightsaber to him at just the right moment? Even though we had never seen any kind of telekinesis in ANH?

And this after so much of our Star Wars experience via the EU has emphasized how much of an intuitive thing the Force is? Stang, that in ANH alone. "Trust your feelings" "don't rely on you external senses." Luke wasn't exactly getting skill training when Obi-Wan had him face a training remote. He got zapped a few times, blindfolded and told to let go and then "BAM" he blocks stun bolts like it's nothing.

If anything, the majority of Luke's Force-related training was about relaxation and concentration and getting out of your own way. Not developing a particular skill. The skills were largely physical and martial training once he got to Dagobah. Rudimentary swordsmanship and conditioning exercise. The Force was all "relax, clear your mind, let go of your conscious self."

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On the "Ben" thing... He is the only character we see to *die* for Han and Leia (as well as Luke and Chewie). And he was responsible for bringing them all together.

And they might have just liked how the name sounded.

 

I'm kind of content to let everything in TFA slide except the mind trick. It's more accelerated than I'm used to, but for the most part it, you're right, it can just be chalked up to intuition. And, even with the mind trick, my issue isn't so much that she does it but the way she does it. It's straight up classic "there aren't the droids you're looking for", style, whereas something that more closely corresponded to what she'd just experienced at Kylo's hand would have felt more appropriate.

EDIT: I mean, I would have much rather had Ghost!Anakin speak up ("STAND FIRM") and for them to have implied there was a Splinter of the Mind's Eye thing going on . . . but I'm kind of free to think that was going on, anyway.

 

So what you're saying is you'd rather she started with the mind-trick equivalent of scooting a noodle?

 

I'm willing to let it slide on the grounds that there was a Church of the Force community on Jakku, who surely hold the Jedi on nigh prophet status, which would increase chances of Rey hearing stories. Add to that she was just experiencing the Force being used on her mind AND she managed to resist with sheer tenacity and latent Force powers(which, if we are honest with ourselves, is basically exactly what Leia did off screen against Vader of all people). It's arguably a short step from that to "you're going to let me go and give me your gun." It's in the same realm of ability, and the Force is largely about intuitive control/surrender. It made for good comedy anyway.

None of it seems out of the realm of possibility after the OT, imo. Especially after 25 years of the EU where Luke was a credible Jedi Master after a few hours/days with Kenobi and weeks with Yoda and 6-10 years on the job as a Jedi Knight.

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CooperTFN Nah, I'm okay with the result. It's the process that throws me.

"On screen", if we're going to take the radio drama. And why wouldn't we, since Kylo's interrogation scenes were obviously in reference to it.

Honestly surprised we didn't get a:

"YES . . . I AM YOUR FAMILY. DON'T YOU WISH TO PLEASE YOUR FAMILY? YOUR FAMILY DEMANDS THAT YOU TELL US!"

(Needed an primed injection arm, mind you)

 

We aren't yet sure if Rey may have had some kind of training, especially in terms of the mind trick. She must have picked that up somewhere. As for her fighting, the movie established her with fighting abilities already and fluent with how to fight with a staff (no easy feat). Luke had no fighting skill, but he had piloting skill in ANH, which we were only told about but did not see until the end. And we are fine with his bad-assary in the Death Star battle at the end.

I think there are other reasons Rey was able to hold her own with Kylo as well, which I've mentioned before. She has staff fighting skill, which she was able to generalize to a saber. Kylo was badly injured and emotionally scarred from killing his father. It also seemed his objective was not to kill her. Taken together, her awesomeness is as reasonable as any other protagonist's coming of age process (Neo, Luke, Harry Potter, etc.).

 

The KOTOR games and Darth Bane - Path of Destruction feature Force-powered Stasis fields. Judgingby what happens to both Poe and Rey, I think that this is what we're seeing.

 

Definitely, that. Nice inclusion. I loved that there was a little wobble in their bodies when they were frozen. It's a nice Star Wars version of wuxia's pressure point blocking.

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Yeah. Gives me hope he might get an Exar Kun moment in Episode VIII.

 

Watching the Sport Center feature "Evolution of the Lightsaber Duel" on ABC right now. So cool.

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Is that the one presented by Hamill that goes into its links with kendo?