The Movie & Television Character Draft 3: Nothin' or Double - congrats, EF

Ahh, so that wasn't sarcasm then? My mistake.

 

It was sarcasm.

 

Really? An E.M.P. on an agent just because they are a program of the matrix? There's no way Cody ever even hits Jones. That's a joke.

 

What if Cody got ahold of a P.E.M.P?

 

Here's a question:

If ion rifles and ion grenades and the like were these incredible droid destroyers, then why didn't the clones use them more often? Like a lot more often. Like a lot, lot, LOT more often, instead of just the very selcet few instances that are sprinkled around here and there in the comics. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm just assuming that ion weaponry came into play in some of the comics I never read. Because I can't actually recall any specific instances off the top of my head.

But what do you see the clones using against their droid opponents 99% of the time? Blasters, ain't it? Pretty sure it blasters of different makes and models. Whether they're prepped for a battle, or whether it's a surprise conflict, it sure seems like blasters are their weapon of choice. Blasters.

Good example? Utapau in the frickin' movie. Cody was prepped for that battle. So were all of his troops. So why weren't they all just lobbing ion grenades into big clusters of these mass-produced, chump droids? Sure seems like it'd make sense. Sure seems like that'd make the battle quite a bit easier.

On a similar note, why was Grievous such a big threat? Seems like any no-name clonetrooper should've been able to take his cybernetic components out with one of those big fancy ion bombs, right?

Please. Either the ion weaponry they used really wasn't worth a damn or clonetroopers (Cody included) were thinly-disguised morons. Gotta be one of those. I'll judge later.

 

If you watch the battle of geonisis you will notice that it takes only 1 shot from clone weaponry to take out and destroy a super battle droid....only one. So why would a clone need to use EMP or Ion weaponry all the time? During extreme situations sure, but when a normal blaster rifle is enough why bring out specialized gear?

I digress, Cody obviously sucks and has no real practical value when fighting droids. What in the world was I thinking? I must be some kind of idiot.

 

You sure about that? One shot to destroy a super battle droid? I recall super battle droids having shields that could easily deflect blaster fire. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly though.

 

R2 took out two Super Battle Droids with an oil fire.

 

R2's also the hero of the saga. So there's... that.

 

Sorry, I wasn't thinking of the super battle droids, I was thinking of the Droidekas. And it certainly doesn't take only one shot to take down a Droideka. Although it technically would with ion weaponry.

 

I'm pretty sure that Griffin does not have prep, unless there was a mistake in the match line-ups. Anyway, I'd just like to throw a few things out there ...

If Griffin was to try to teleport away with Gandalf's staff, the staff that the old man would be gripping and using as his weapon, would Gandalf go with him and his staff? I noticed in Jumper that clothes go with a person. Oh, and cars.

Dropping Iceman from an extreme height doesn't sound like something that would end the match. I'm sure Bobby is capable of giving himself an ice slide or something to land in.

And remember, he can make ice walls rather quickly. To teleport away with him, Griffin has to be touching Bobby. What if ... what if Bobby froze Griffin's hand? Imagine Bobby as the complete ice man for a minute. Griffin grabs him, teleports away. They reappear, in the middle of wherever they are in the middle of, and Griffin is still touching Bobby. Bobby doesn't even have to shoot the ice out, it can virtually jump between the two of them.




Thinking about Griffin's weakness, this image amuses me:

[image=http://www.tk421.net/lotr/film/ttt/img/ttt0351.jpg]

... if you remember how he killed the balrog. Anyway.

 

Sorry, I probably wasn't clear with that. All I meant by saying that he doesn't even need the prep was that he doesn't need it that much in general, because he did have it last round. I understand that he was unprepped for this particular match.


My only problem with those scenarios is once again, Griffin's speed and reactive nature. The second Bobby tries something against him, Griffin is going to be gone. In an instant. And he doesn't have to take Bobby with him.

And teleporting away Gandalf's staff was only one scenario that could play out, depending on what Griffin wants to happen. Maybe he'll drop a tree on him instead. Who knows? His options are near limitless, especially considering how much faster he is than the opponent. But yeah, say he jumps over the Big G, grabs his staff, and teleports them both a few miles into the sky. At that point, with Gandalf in complete shock at what just happened, grabbing the staff probably won't be the most difficult thing in the world to do.

And I'm assuming that the picture is the final shot of Gandalf killing the Balrog? Ehh, to call the stuff coming from his sword without a doubt lightning is a pretty big assumption to make...

 

Okay, this time I'm not busy, I'm just being lazy. But it's really more like most everything I was going to say on all the matches has been said. So why go through the motions just for the sake of going through the motions?

I will say that the Cody/trump matchup is pretty interesting. But it's actually Jones that I see Cody having too much trouble with. He'd have a tough enough time with him to begin with, let alone with Cameron to worry about. It's not an impossible matchup for a prepped Cody, but it seems unlikely enough, IMO.

Anyways, agree.

 

Moving right along then.


Oscar Conference

Uwe Boll's Bestest Team Ever (2) vs Elvis ****ing Presley (0)
Goodnight Canada (0) vs The Galactic Mayhem Misfits (2)
Team Sea Slug (2) vs Tyirrific Team Name (0)

Emmy Conference

The Spirit of Larry Hughes (1) vs The Aces of Spades (1)
Team Evil Monkey (0) vs If Evil Has a Name, It's... (2)
Bottom of the Barrel (1) vs Angry Kids with Rocks (1)

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Nein.


[hl=green][color=yellow]Oscar Conference[/color][/hl]
Location: [i]The Stone Graveyard (The Chronicles of Narnia)[/i]

[color=purple]Saruman (Lord of the Rings) *Prepared*[/color] vs [color=red]Hellboy (Hellboy) TRUMPED w/ Aslan (Chronicles of Narnia)[/color]
[color=blue]Kahn Noonien Singh (Star Trek) TRUMPED w/ T-X (Terminator)[/color] vs [color=black]Chip Thorn [Yellow Ranger] (Power Rangers: Mystic Force) *Prepared*[/color]
[color=seagreen]Elastigirl (The Incredibles)[/color] vs [color=yellow]Nameless (Hero) TRUMPED w/ Alice (Resident Evil)[/color]

[hl=orangered][color=white]Emmy Conference[/color][/hl]
Location: [i]Evacuated Time Square (Heroes)[/i]

[color=orange]Violet Song jat Shariff (Ultraviolet) TRUMPED w/ Cleric Preston (Equilibrium)[/color] vs [color=deeppink]Seraph (The Matrix)[/color]
[color=green]Drake (Blade)[/color] vs [color=darkred]ED-209 (Robocop)[/color]
[color=sienna]James Bond (James Bond series) *Prepared*[/color] vs [color=darkblue]Frozone (The Incredibles) (forfeit)[/color][/b]


I've just got to say that that fourth match would be frickin' awesome to watch.

 

Saruman (Lord of the Rings) *Prepared* vs Hellboy (Hellboy) TRUMPED w/ Aslan (Chronicles of Narnia)

I just can't see Saruman taking out both. Both opponents have too much first hand experience against mystical junk, and with Hellboy getting right up in Saruman's face and maybe Aslan hanging back and... doing whatever it is he does, it just seems like way too much for Saruman to beat by himself. Plus, like, homefield advantage or whatever.

Winner: Hellboy and Aslan

Kahn Noonien Singh (Star Trek) TRUMPED w/ T-X (Terminator) vs Chip Thorn [Yellow Ranger] (Power Rangers: Mystic Force) *Prepared*

They got nothing.

Winner: Chip

Elastigirl (The Incredibles) vs Nameless (Hero) TRUMPED w/ Alice (Resident Evil)

Fun match. The trump is probably going to get frustrated as hell trying to hit Elastigirl at the start. But at the same time, both are skilled enough to be able to fend off most of what she can come at them with. So it'll probably feel like a stalemate situation for a while. That is, until Alice uses either her TK or her TP. Snagging EG with her TK and holding her in place long enough for Nameless to put his sword through her face (probably after trying and failing to get through the suit) is not the kind of thing that would cause her to pass out from the effort after a few seconds. Those showings were quite a bit more impressive than just holding someone in place. Or, yeah, after a while she could just get fed up and frag her brain.

Winner: Nameless and Alice

Violet Song jat Shariff (Ultraviolet) TRUMPED w/ Cleric Preston (Equilibrium) vs Seraph (The Matrix)

Another really fun one. But Violet vs. Seraph alone would be fun enough. I just don't think I can see him being able to outskill her and Preston at the same time. Not when he's trying to deal with her up close and Preston giving him plenty of bullets to worry about (and probably being able to dodge whatever shots Seraph can send his way).

Winner: Violet and Preston

Drake (Blade) vs ED-209 (Robocop)

Scrap.

Winner: Drake

James Bond (James Bond series) *Prepared* vs Frozone (The Incredibles) (forfeit)

Winner: Bond

 

I'm going to have to disagree on the first match. Without the prep, sure the trump takes it. However, with it, I think Saruman's shown us more than enough with his TK (especially because he was using it against Gandalf, another TK user, and still owning) to make me think he can hold these two in place long enough to dispatch of them the way he needs to. The prep, or more specifically the knowledge of the opponent that the prep gives him, is most important for this match. It gives him two very important bits of knowledge about Hellboy: 1. That of his gun; 2. His resistance to fire. Knowing this, here's the route I see him most likely taking, and therefore dictating the direction that the match will take:

First things first - TK that gun away as soon as you see the big red guy. Obviously Saruman has never seen a gun before, but just reading about it in the prep file should be enough to make him realize that it's probably the trump's most potent weapon against him. And it's not going to be hard to lift from Hellboy, and toss, well, he can realistically toss it anywhere. Again, not hard. Next thing, use TK to discombobulate the trump. He'll be able to throw them every which way without too much trouble, but his objective should be to take out the lion, because of Aslan's ability to teleport. His fireball should be more than enough to make that dispatch, Aslan's never shown any sort of durability allowing him to resist something like that. And should Aslan teleport closer to Saruman for an attack, Saruman can just TK him away again. And after having done that, Hellboy comes racing towards him, he can TK him away too.

The point I'm trying to make is that Saruman can keep either member of the trump at a good distance from him to ensure that the match doesn't turn into a closer confrontation. Because there's no way he wins something like that. I think he can keep the trump far enough away from him to take them out with his TK and fire attacks.

Winner: Saruman


I suppose I do agree on the rest though. Seraph doesn't have enough to take out both members of the trump, although I maintain that it's a super awesome match to watch. I have to say that I had no idea Alice had the ability to mind frag. I think something was brought up last draft, but it was more along the lines of her, like, using her TK to make some dude's ear bleed or something. I don't think anyone actually named it a mental attack. Are her mental abilities shown off in the games perhaps? Whatever the case may be, I definitely think a little higher of her now that I know that. And with that now said, I do agree with what Shadow said. She and Nameless can avoid Elastigirl's attacks for a good while, until Alice realizes that she'll have to use some of her more obscure abilities to take the match. And then she will.

The rest are uber easy.

 

I agree with Zizz. the prep seals this. Considering the ease with which he hurled Gandalf hundreds of metres straight up into the air, Saruman should be able to remove the gun quickly and shove Hellboy out of the fight for a fair time right off the bat. And Aslan seems to be mostly just a lion in the movies. And even in the books.

 

Oh. Saruman was prepped? Ummm... of course I saw that.

EDIT: Alice's TP right at this start of this. It could possibly be just TK and she's squeezing his brains or something, but then how does she "see" him like she does through the camera? It's weird. Maybe not specifically TP, but it's... something.

She never that ability once in the next movie, though. So that's why I think it wouldn't be her first option in a fight. But it's an ability she's used, even if that was the only time, so it can't just be ignored. And right after 3:00 on this one is pretty much her best TK display.

 

Oscar Conference

Uwe Boll's Bestest Team Ever (3) vs Elvis ****ing Presley (0)
Goodnight Canada (0) vs The Galactic Mayhem Misfits (3)
Team Sea Slug (2) vs Tyirrific Team Name (1)

Emmy Conference

The Spirit of Larry Hughes (2) vs The Aces of Spades (1)
Team Evil Monkey (1) vs If Evil Has a Name, It's... (2)
Bottom of the Barrel (2) vs Angry Kids with Rocks (1)

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One-Ton Soup.


[hl=green][color=yellow]Oscar Conference[/color][/hl]
Location: [i]The Stone Graveyard (The Chronicles of Narnia)[/i]

[color=purple]Alien Queen (Alien series)[/color] vs [color=red]Michael Corvin (Underworld)[/color]
[color=blue]Sark (Tron) *Prepared*[/color] vs [color=black]Adam TRUMPED w/ Spike (Buffyverse)[/color]
[color=seagreen]Li Mu Bai (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon)[/color] vs [color=yellow]Iceman (X-Men) (forfeit)[/color]

[hl=orangered][color=white]Emmy Conference[/color][/hl]
Location: [i]Evacuated Time Square (Heroes)[/i]

[color=orange]Tommy Oliver [Black Ranger] (Power Rangers: Dino Thunder)[/color] vs [color=deeppink]Steel Leg (Shaolin Soccer)[/color]
[color=green]Lindsey McDonald (Buffyverse) TRUMPED w/ Marcus Hamilton (Buffyverse)[/color] vs [color=darkred]Agent Jones (The Matrix) (forfeit)[/color]
[color=sienna]Gabe Law (The One)[/color] vs [color=darkblue]Jason Lee Scott [Gold Ranger] (Power Rangers: Zeo)[/color][/b]



In regards to distinguishing Sark, I'm going to go ahead and rule that giant Sark is the one that will be used. He's crazy durable in that form, and it just makes more sense to me. I'm tired of jumping back and forth between whichever "form" would win the match at hand. We'll stick with upgraded Sark from now on.

 

Drat, my trump hit a forfeit. I was hoping to see how well they would do together. If the judges wouldn't mind, I would love to hear an opinion on them for future reference.

 

Not being overly familiar with Buffyverse, I'd probably have to put in around the same amount of research as you would. And I don't really want to do that for matches that don't require me to.

I will say that from what I currently know of your trump, I would've had a very hard time putting them above the trump that they would've been fighting had their number been called first. Take that however you want to.

Or just wait for Durron.

 

Really? Cameron wouldn't have enough power to do anything to Marcus, Lindsey maybe.

Bullets would be the only thing I could see that would be an issue (though it could be argued that bullets wouldn't have an effect on either one of my guys), but Cameron doesn't normally carry a gun from what I have seen so she wouldn't get one without prep....though Jones would definately have one and could put out a lot of shots in little time.

Strength/skill vs strength/skill my trump would own that match, it would just depend on how vulnerable the judges interpret the buffyverse characters relation to bullets.

Oh well, not a real match anyway. Thanks for the opinion Zizz, it will give me something to consider next round.

 

Cohesion on that trump is, at the very least, quite shaky.

 

Jones has a pretty significant speed advantage on either of the trump, and Cameron has a similar advantage in durability. Strength I'll give to your trump, sure, although skill is way closer than you make it. I doubt the advantages your trump have would be enough, especially once we take weapons into consideration. The majority of the more "regular" Buffy characters (ie. not Glory, Illyria, etc) are definitely not immune to bullets. I think guys like Spike and Angel can take... some, but they sure as hell aren't running into them without a problem.

But whatever, enough thought on the non-existent match. How about some discussion on the top two? Those are the only ones needing any discussion.