ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

The same with me, no objections here as well.

And you're right, the saga has been pointing in this direction since that moment at the Opera. Back in '77 to '83, the Force was a power that helped you persuade the minds of the weak, enabled you to lift objects off the ground and/or hurl them, enabled you to jump high, etc. Fast forward to ROTS and Lucas already appeared to be expanding on the concepts and ideas surrounding the Force and had he directed this trilogy, who knows where the knowledge or ideas surrounding the Force would have ended up. Rumours of a script about the microscopic aspects of the Force or whatever it was. Again, Lucas appeared to be pushing further into unchartered waters.

So the powers we see in the ST, in many ways, are simply a natural extension on what Lucas was trying to evolve in relation to what was possible with the Force; just in a different way.

 

Having Luke as a FG in 9 would be easier to swallow if they hadn't basically treated him like a FG already in 7 and 8.

 

Well, it's Rey's story, but there's no story really. Luke isn't needed at all.

Characters usually have some inner problem to overcome. Rey has the specter of one -- her missing parents -- but truly this doesn't count as a real problem to overcome because it doesn't stop her from succeeding.

Luke is a little bit like this in ANH, but he does have one serious moment of crisis. We see that he can't destroy the DS unless he has faith in the Force. Before this, we see he has a bit of his Uncle Owen in him, that he has a practical farmer's side that could stop him from taking a leap of faith.

That thread follows him into ESB, and he fails in the cave. And then he fails with Vader because he's not ready to face him.

In Jedi, he's all set up for his moment of ultimate faith in the Force and being a Jedi.

Rey has a moment too, in TFA, where she has to decide to let the Force in, when she's almost beaten by Kylo. Although this is a nice moment, all her magical downloaded Force knowledge undermines her faith moment; something weird and plotty is going on and we (many at least) feel the artifice.

In TLJ, we have no idea really if anything is stopping her from doing anything. She has internal problems that don't block her practically in any way. Even when she is "trapped" by Snoke, her presence is more of a challenge for Kylo. We never think she'll be killed or challenged by the darkside.

What could possibly be her internal block to be overcome in E9? There's nothing. And so no purpose for Luke, no reason to return.

At least not anything established by TLJ, and we should be aware of her potential internal challenge by now. It doesn't exist.

 

I think we should all step back from our keyboards and be honest about the fact that just because we can't think of a good reason for something to happen in IX does not mean there isn't one.

 

Tell me what a story is. Shouldn't a story create expectations for future action?

Stories don't function well off of unthinkable possibilities for the basic story.

Stories work like this: this happened, and because of that, this happened next.

The only thing we can really expect in E9 is more resistance vs. First Order. We can expect Rey doing Force things.

What else? What's this story about?

 

Some interesting points from the Galaxies Edge articles in terms of canon:

- Chewie is partnered with Hondo

- the FO has the 709 Division called Red Fury hunting a mcguffin

-promotional artwork for a shirt shows Rey with a cracking lightsaber

-there’s someone helping kids build lightsabers. Not sure about this one given they needed a story for the store to sell the product but there you go.

 

I'd like a veteran Stormtrooper squad subplot.
It's an image that makes for great fan art.

 

It really is quite simple....

"So, despite blood-tests that show your aptitude, learning the Force is still like Yoga, or boxing. You might be born more lithe, or bigger and stronger, but, because we all have midi-chlorians in us, we can all develop the Force to lesser or greater extents — in the world of Star Wars." - www.starwars.com

Those born with a high midi-chlorian count can use the Force more effectively, far quicker, those with a low count could take a lifetime to Force push a pencil across a table. Rey was born with a high midi-chlorian count. You have taken the meaning of 'The Force Awakens' wrongly, it can't awaken the Force in everybody and besides that Rey was using the Force subconsciously (and not as effectively) for years before.

 

There’s more as well. Battu will almost certainly feature in IX. Breznican repeatedly hints at that.

There’s a Black Spire of some kind that he likens to have Stonehenge like rumors around it. Clearly some kind of breakthrough connected to the lore is also connected to the McGuffin and Disney engineers won’t say if the McGuffin is something or someone. The outpost clearly was once tied to mining in some way so this could be the mining town we’ve heard about.

The Red Fury could easily be the Troopers previously referred to as Sith troopers by fans.

It also sounds more and more likely that IX will feature Yavin IV as a place the Resistance went back to briefly and may have needed to flee. This was rumored long before Galaxy’s edge and some of the shots at pinewood outside with vines and a swamp felt like other parts of Yavin IV not yet seen on screen to my eyes. The swamp scene could possibly occur there. Allowing them to show us the visuals we know and then move past them to this swamp setting.

 

Rey never told Luke "hey I need you as a master and I need you to train me. I don't know what to do by myself". That would have been a good way to go. Instead, Rey rejected Luke after the story about Kylo Ren. So when Luke died, it wasn't as if Rey really suffered a loss at all.

 

I really wish I cared about Galaxy's Edge. If I did, I would be excited about this news.

 

Since this trilogy is part of the skywalker saga, it makes sense to have Luke involved, but it could be argued the PT was anakin skywalker, the OT was Luke Skywalker and the new trilogy is... Well we will have to see where they are going with it. Might end up being Kylo.

 

Your idea of Rey returning because she has a mission to finish, is sort of what I hoped they could do with Luke. When he gets to Jedi heaven, obiwan and yoda send him back because he hasn’t completely HIS job of training Rey and restoring the Order. I know that won’t happen, but JJ could have gone that route if he wanted to do so. Luke’s job really WASN’T finished when he was killed off in TLJ.

And no, it isn’t because some of us want Luke to be the main character. It’s because we want the filmmakers to “ make things right”. Luke’s character should never have been handled so disrespectfully, and left as a total failure with no legacy and no accomplishments, and without having trained a single Jedi successfully.

 

My whole point is the in the movies the rules of the force are not 100% set in stone. You pulled a quote from off Starwars.com but that quote is not in the films. So it’s very possible to see Luke comeback even in a physical form because the rules of the force never said he can’t.

 

I was just addressing the points (that I snipped from your post) regarding midi-chlorians, etc. Personally I can't see Luke being made whole again and I would be disappointed if that was the case but it's only a fan theory talking point at this stage.

 

I could see George Lucas bringing Luke back from the dead and the fans hating it. it seems like George was the sort of person who was most willing to go outside of the OT zone. which is kinda one of the things fans seemed to have issues with the PT for a long time.

 

Imagine if she finds out she is cloned from Palps or Vader, that's one helluva internal conflict.

 

Well JJ has said many times already that this final film will tie all three trilogies together. I tend to think the movie will indeed explore resurrections, force ghosts, life creation, etc. It seems to be the prevailing theme of the trilogy.

I also think it needs to be settled and stated once and for all, what is the true origin of Shmi Skywalker's virgin birth. Was it the force? Was it Plagueis? Is Rey born of the Force in the same manner?

I know many hated Minichlorians, but I would like to hear it flatly stated scientifically/spiritually what has taken place in this saga. We need answers.

 

They aren't natural extensions at all. They are extremely contrived and have no consistency with what came before. You don't just go from nothing to the one of the most powerful Force users seen in mere hours with no training and then get dubbed a Jedi.

Rey is an empty vessel for the Force to use as it wishes which means she has no choice in anything she does. She is merely an instrument of the Force.

The only way to give her any semblance of story in IX is with even more contrivance because there is nothing to take from the previous two movies.

 

The force is also shown in the movies to choose certain people to be strong with the force. Anakin was the CHOSEN ONE which is still up for debate. Also Rey and her ability’s to use the force has not been made clear either. You or I may have a personal preference about how the force should work but the movies have not clearly defined the parameters of the force. Luke coming back may not be what is best for the story being told but it also can’t be completely ruled out according to what ALL THE FILMS has established.

 

Perhaps someone can request a copy of his will from the Galactic Probate Court.

I would be very surprised if that is the case. That twitter thing was the height of offended culture just for the fashion of it ... and might I add it was likely only a "controversy" created by someone to get their follower count up. I don't get why everyone seems to be out to get that dude.

God, Twitter is going to be the purveyor of the death of enlightenment philosophy and democratic values. / rant

 

no it was a controversy because jason interviewed this scum and him and his wife throw some victim (I forget of what I wanna say rape ) under the bus during a story in said interview https://www.youtube.com/user/fascistfrog/videos

 

Could the uniforms in these shots be in the movie?


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I thought the next Star Trek movie was on hold?

 

Is that a pic of Rey from IX?