ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

My concern was more that obviously they needed to have this particular shop at the park. In Harry Potter there are actual wand shops and so it makes sense. With everything supposed to be in universe it needs a story and so there is a guy who is secretly making lightsabers for people. This doesn’t really gel with the current galactic situation in the ST. It’s unavoidable though as they needed a story for the shop.

 

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I'm ok with her using an unstable saber, but how would she do it with a regular saber hilt?

Kylo was forced to change his regular hilt to a cross guard when his crystal became cracked, so their should some kind of vents of the modified/repaired Skywalker saber.

 

Pretty sure that’s not an unstable blade. The shirts always print the blades like that.

 

I hate the cackling saber, but it does make sense for Rey I guess since she's new to the saber building stuff.

 

First post. Been reading here since the late 90's, posted a bit during the PT and still read to this day, but wanted to remain spoiler free for the ST. But I've given up on that.

So here's my idle speculation, based on what we know, confirmed and rumor-wise, and mostly where I think this all logically goes:

• Rey is related to Skywalker bloodline, but Luke doesn't even know - she is Luke's previously unknown daughter
• Keri Russell is playing Luke's former love interest. It is Mara Jade. All the events of the Thrawn trilogy took place.
  
• Rey discovers this after a confrontation with the Knights of Ren, who are holding Mara prisoner
  
• The primary MacGuffin is the Mara Jade, who leads us to MacGuffin #2
• MacGuffin #2 is the secret to Darth Plagueis the Wise's way to bring back the dead
• Leia is killed in battle, prompting Rey to return to Ach-To to find Luke, not knowing he's dead
• Force Ghost Luke explains that Kylo was right, from a certain point of view - to let the past die.
• The threat from beyond is Kylo wanting to use Darth Plagueis' prophecy to attempt to resurrect Snoke or Vader or somebody bad
  
• Hux becomes a Spy for the Resistance when he is is demoted by the new First Order General - THRAWN!
  
• Big ass battles all over the place
• Finn and Poe go on secret mission with Hux to infiltrate First Order weapon/fleet and set them on a collision course with battle with Hutts/bounty hunter army
• the mission brings Lando into play, to help fool the First Order into a trap.
  
• Big chase to get to place where MacGuffin #2 resides on Tattooine
  
• Rey uses the power of good and empathy (like Luke did in ROTJ) to win over Kylo
• The Rebels/Resistance win.

Also - wouldn't it be funny if Kylo's attempt to use Darth Plagueis the wise's secret to cheat death backfired because his thoughts betrayed him and instead of bringing back Snoke or Vader, it brought back Luke - tying up the "Luke coming back from the dead" rumor?

 

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Tell me Hugo Weaving is playing her dad.

 

Well, I suppose JJ would walk over to the FX guys working on the lightsaber effects and say "Hey, make her blade crackle a bit."

 

When was the last time you saw The Last Jedi? LOL.

 

At the end of TLJ - nobody else there is a Jedi. All the know is that Luke disappeared. They don't know his fate.

 

Um...er... Literally none of this will happen

 

Leia and Rey are clearly discussing Luke dying, since they both felt him become one with the Force. They don't think he just disappeared; it's clear they both know he died.

 

If it's for the theme park, shouldn't it be RIDES of the Resistance

 

You're explaining a lot of plotty information that doesn't scratch the surface of character motivation.

Rey -- Why does she want to do any of this? We have no idea what's driving her. Some vague yearning to belong -- and this means joining the resistance and becoming a Jedi? That doesn't add up. At least with Luke in ANH we knew he yearned for a life of adventure.

So there's not a lot of subtext to reveal regarding Rey. Her looks could mean anything. Even regarding Kylo -- she might be yearning for belonging with him, or simply yearning to help. Who knows?

Kylo -- two movies in and we have no idea why he's angry. We've been given contradictory information: Han was a poor father, but he didn't hate him. Kylo is ambivalent. He had these problems BEFORE Luke, so TLJ doesn't do a single thing to clue us in.

No subtext is possible here either. Anything could be motivating him. Vague generalizations about anger or insecurity tell us nothing. Angry and insecure about what?

Luke -- his motives are basically just Rian's. Rian needed Luke to be depressed, and so he is. Nothing in Luke's past that we know about suggests that he would react to failure the way he did.

The subtext here isn't Luke's -- it's that the writer needed a convenient scapegoat. There's zero psychological realism here. It's pure plot contrivance.

And so on, and so on.

If anyone is picking up on subtext in regard to the characters in the ST, it's mostly projection. The main characters do not have clear motives; their pasts are too obscured in mystery.

 

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The natural extensions that I speak of are actual abilities with the Force - projecting one's image across the galaxy to another planet, having the ability to bridge the minds of two other Force Users and to a much lesser extent, freeze a blaster bolt in mid air or freeze a person so that they cannot move. These abilities are new and have evolved from what was possible with the Force back in '77, '80 and '83 - pretty much in line when the fans were presented with the concept that a Sith Lord could develop the Force ability to cheat death. What was possible with the Force had evolved by the end of the PT when compared to the OT. And that same evolution (natural extension on Lucas ideas) has happened again in the ST.

But I do agree with you about Rey's powers. Her abilities do need further clarification because although she may potentially have a high midi-chlorian count just like Anakin did, she does appear to be more advanced than Anakin when you compare their abilities at a similar age of "discovery" - or when these characters have been presented to the audience. Taking age out of the equation, Rey's abilities with the Force outweighs Anakins when first discovered on Tatooine - and potentially, in some ways, even when comparing to Anakin's abilities in AOTC.

Rey's powers, related or not, needs further clarification - I do agree with that.

 

The vests of these two pilot uniforms are similar. Is the Republic joining the fight?

 

No doubt Anakin was more powerful than Rey at a similar biological age. This shows powers far more advanced than Rey's.

The only thing that I would say about Anakin at this age is that he has had many years of training now under his belt.

Rey's powers over a few days needs further clarification.

 

This part right here baffles me..... If anyone is picking subtext, it's projecting? So I guess subjectivity in art is wrong? Isn't the idea of art to generate feelings on other people? Don't we project ourselves into our favorite characters from our favorite stories? If I love the ST characters, their arcs and motivations... is that invalid because I'm projecting?

I don't know, seems to me that's a pretty arrogant comment, but hey, opinions am I right?

 

If you aren't pickup up subtext, you're not looking very hard.

 

Where's Huyang the ancient Lightsaber builder droid from The Clone Wars who sort of rips off Harry Potter when you need him?

I hope they go the Rey way to pick lightsabers. You go into a basement full of trunks and one them call out to you to open it. That how you get your lightsaber.

 

any ways like I link'd here

Kylo is coming to resistance in the final episode so maybe some clues to IX will be dropped

 

@Knight of Jedi Ren Sith

Some of the best villains in film never really had a reason. The Joker in TDK and Luther in The Warriors come to mind. Hell at the end of the Warriors Luther even admitted he had no reason when Swan asked him why he shot Cyrus.



Just comes down to the execution. And while Kylo is honestly my favorite new character (really the only one I think that stands out but I really think that is due to Adams' fabulous acting skills) I think a lot of potential was wasted but that is a topic for a different day/thread.

 

Yeah, but Luther was just a dumb New York street gang punk.

But wasn't the TFK Joker's whole reason was to prove Chaos vs Order?

It's been a while, I maybe getting my Batman continuities mixed up.