ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

Kind of seems that again that's point-of-view stuff, opinion. People tend to feel guilt even when it's not their fault, when something goes bad. Especially in war situations.

From all we've seen in the Clone Wars & prequels movies, Obi didn't screw up, at least not beyond minor squabbles between the two of them. He just feels bad, because of course he does, he's a good guy who's willing to shoulder himself with the burden. Anakin's the type of guy to take things personally and harshly, and things escalate. He's a twisted dude, in a lot of ways, same as Ben. If it wasn't Obi's slightly-patronizing (in a totally-within-bounds and mostly justified) manner, it would have been something else digging at him that he'd make a mountain out of a molehill of. Who knows? 10 years of Qui-Gon's tie-dye-and-drum-circles Berkeley Professor monk-Oprah and constant hyping him up/feeding the Chosen One Galaxy Savior stuff as a burden could pretty easily send a guy like Anakin off the rails anyway, at least he'd find a way to internally spin it that way.

Kind of a similar phenomenon in reverse the Kylo thing. Obi-Wan's view is that he failed Anakin, even though he didn't, and Ben feels his parents were absentees/neglectful or whatever, and they weren't. Perspective isn't necessarily reality.

 

So the account has been suspended, what did it say?

 

Yep, some tweets somd of you guys are posting don't work due to the twitter account being suspended or the content being restricted.

Any way of seeing what these tweets contain?

 

Is it @sleemo?

If so, she's not been suspended. Her account is just locked. But I follow her. Let me copy and paste some of what she has transcribed from Daisy's interview with Josh Horowitz (in his podcast Happy Sad Confused)

^ these last two quotes weren't transcribed by Sleemo herself, but by people she retweeted.

There's also this interview from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...st-jedi-backlash-feminist-ophelia/1612188001/

 

Much appreciated @littlepadawan91!

Particularly interesting the last two quotes. So this one is not really Rey's story either, and the title becomes aparent with the last couple of lines in the movie.

Sounds like the standard "pfff, which title do we put in here... hey, those last two sentences sounded great!!"

 

Interesting to hear about the last few lines of the movie being tied to the name of the movie. This line is maybe said in the wake of a Resistance victory made possible in part by Rey Skywalker rising to the occasion.

 

or Luke rising from the dead.

 

Apparently this is the exact quote:

The way I interpret this isn't that the last lines of the movie are "the rise of Skywalker", but rather that - by the time the last few lines of the film come around - people are gonna be like "oh I get it".

I don't know, it's a confusing quote lol

 

It's hard to tell if she is referring to literally the last few lines of the film (like actually dialogue that makes things clear), or she is more generally referring to to the end of the film (like by the end it all comes together and you get it).

 

Thats a tricky one, also because «Rise of Skywalker» points to something moving forward, not retrospective in my view. So its a new beginning, new age, a new dawn...
But then using the name Skywalker becomes very literal and if Rey is not a Skywalker, why use it in that context? I have no clue.

I could see someone using the reference in the last sentences of the movie, but not literally saying it....saying it ( like in a monolog or a speech) is weird.

 

Daisy Ridley: [Reference] “[J . J. Abrams] did say the question [of Rey’s parentage] is answered. So at the end of [Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker], you do know what the dealio is.” (July 1, 2019) (archive)

 

Adding up the various factors of "Skywalker" being singular, referencing the last few lines of the film, and Rey getting a monologue...maybe that "big broadcast" rumor from a while back has some merit after all.

I'm...not sure how I feel about that.

 

Yep BDW already called the movie the rise of Luke Skywalker a few times.

 

I don't even know what that telecast would include. And isn't there a C3PO's deleted memories come into play rumour? Nothing from the OT was deleted, just his PT memory. In which case, it would be a galaxy-wide podcast about Anakin? Or the entire Saga so far?

While that would be something JJ would do, it doesn't seem plausible. It also doesn't fit with any MSW leaks about "Kylo - the movie". Unless they identified the source within their production and using that to feed false info this time.

In general, I agree it would make the ST utterly irrelevant to ultimately just have it be a demo reel to sell the greats of the OT. Just personally, after what the ST did to the OT, I would laugh and laugh if they tore it to shreds righr back to build the OT up again.

 

Great point because this is all beginning to sound like the problem that fans had with the end of Enterprise, where it was all a holodeck simulation or something with Riker and Troi - I gave up way before that point but I know fans were NOT happy that it turned Enterprise into this weird offshoot of Next Gen.

Plus, after Rebels, what IS this obsession with radio in new Star Wars? Leia sending a signal and expecting an instantaneous response in TLJ. Ezra's parents running some sort of radio thing like it's 1942 and the French Resistance or Radio Free Europe in the Cold War. That's not how signals in space work. (ok, Galaxy Quest but even that was years later!)

 

Given that major actors in the film don't even know what the title is referring to, I'm inclined to doubt that broadcast thing. JB would know if the film is about Rey, Finn and Poe hunting for a Luke speech to post on YouTube. I think it's far more likely that the title means incredibly little, substantively. It's a metaphorical nod to the Skywalkers' impact on the gffa, and perhaps in a voiceover at the end Rey will talk about how for better or worse, the Jedi and democracy are coming back thanks to this collection of super special people.

 

Whether the title represents a literal broadcast or is symbolic, it is incredibly redundant with TLJ. Broom Boy was already supposed to demonstrate that the legend of Luke Skywalker was being spread across the galaxy. Come to think of it, The Rise of Skywalker would have been a fitting name for TLJ (Kylo rises to Supreme Leader, Luke rises to legend status).

 

I'm not an expert on Star Wars communication, but isn't that the same as Anakin/Obi-Wan communicating with the Jedi Council from different planets in the prequels? I assume they have found some way of instantaneous communication, whether that makes sense or not.

 

"They might have taken democracy and Jedi from us, then fought to bring those back, then either actively took it away again or sat on their butt while that happened but we all owe the Skywalkers... wait a second, where am I going with this?"

Well, at least if you broadcast the OT, I would believe in that galvanazing people. Unlike anything on Crait, I think the OT is a very inspiring story. Just leave out the ST... as it is currently going on. Hm, bit of a problem.

 

And I agree. It's essentially "Return of the Jedi' using different slightly words. Only whereas that film's title finishes a 1-6 movie arc, this new one will try to steal that thunder as their own. I mean...who didn't think that the Skywalkers would make the galaxy better at the of ROTJ. Who didn't think the the Jedi order would get remade in their (Luke's) image?

Now if the ST was about Ben righting all these wrongs and making Luke's new Jedi order to something established and fully fledge, in all three ST movies, then I would think that TROS would mean something different. But as is, it's basically just the same thing at the end of the day.

 

Precisely. Not sure how can some fans read all this as evidence of whatever theory. It all reads like this is the last episode of the Skywalker Saga and they needed something to make a reference to it, after Luke and Leia are gone and probably Kylo as well by the end of the movie.

Probably JJ changed the ending to make it feel more like the Skywalkers have had a huge impact on the galaxy. Kind of lile the final scenes of The Dark Knight Rises.

 

Same thing that Ezra did in Star Wars Rebels.

 

Only TDJR concluded the story and characters we had been following for three movies. Just like ROTJ and the OT.

Putting "Skywalker" into the title here feels like such a gimmick to hastily (and not narratively much) tie the movies together. It feels especially weird when no living person with that name is around. Leia and Kylo might be of the bloodline but they never went by the actual name.

And the Skywalkers did have a big impact on the galaxy, just an overwhelmingly negative one. Which this ending will have to be a cutesy message that says the opposite. Not a montage of Anakin slaughtering Jedi or Luke whining on an island while his nephew has women and children gunned down.

 

To me this backs up the immediate theories that the term Jedi may evolve into "Skywalkers". Or that she will adopt the name herself as a new chosen one or something. It has to be something related to that and the Force and who she is...I still feel they are going to shoehorn her into being birthed by the Force itself, so she is just like another Anakin.

But yeah, it makes sense that the end of the movie will reveal that - maybe she starts her own academy or goes off into the sunset as this "force being" and even if Rey herself doesnt adpot the name she will be referred to as a Skywalker.

This has nothing to do with Luke or Anakin specifically IMO.