ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

If Snoke is Palpatine then i would throw my DVD/BluRay collection at the screen. (I'll bring it with me like people bring tomatoes and lettuce to comedy shows) not serious

 

Why would he ever trust a Skywalker again? Especially as the crux to his plans to return. Especially someone like Kylo who spends 6 years proving himself, and still is drawn to the light.

So what....Palpatine possesses Snoke, is now super pissed, and his first item is to go get another Skywalker kid to seduce?

 

Because the Skywalker bloodline is the most powerful thing in the galaxy at this point we think. If he can posses a Skywalker, he will have "UNLIMITED POWAHHH!". He probably wanted to eventually posses Anakin, but Anakin messed up and became more Robot than human, and weakened power. If he can get his hands on Ben Solo at his peak, he will have the Skywalker he has always wanted.

 

At least he wouldn’t be Darth Plagueis



But yeah. It would be bad

 

I'm Palpatine.
My loyal lapdog for 20 years betrays me and throws me down a hole, killing me.
His son, defies me, and is unwilling to follow in his fathers footsteps.
I'm powerful enough that I can return from the dead, and can possess extremely other powerful beings. I'm royally peeved, and my first thought is..

Lets try this again. Get me a Skywalker to possess.

Especially a Skywalker like Kylo who's always two steps from losing his cool and going back to the light. Palpatine was intelligent, and patient. This is just dumb.

 

What would make sense if the Knights of Ren stumbled upon the World between Worlds..and someone (maybe an Acolyte from Beyond) found out how to save Palpatine from Vader tossing him down the shaft. The KOR sees this and report back to Kylo.

We all know Sidious obsession with that thing. He might have found a way to find it.

Yeah this is a stretch but makes better sense than Sido-snoke

 

I almost think it would have been more interesting for Kylo and the KOR to have always been a separate entity from the FO and Snoke. Kylo defies Luke (god/heaven), falls to the dark side (earth), and takes half the student (angels) with him to create a new thing. That new thing battles it out against Luke's army and whatever else Snokeltine is planning.

 

Disagree and you really think there would be a "Sith" trooper army in the unknown regions without Snoke (Palpatine) being the person behind it. Snoke if not Palpatine would know about that since he was camped out there for years.

Snoke was the same cunning type as Palpatine as he suckered them into not building their forces up for possible war just as Palpatine would have done. Rude to Ben? Ben was a young unbalanced darksider who needed to be talked down to and regardless Snoke/Papatine had reached a point to where he wasn't in need of apprentices (crude tools) anymore (seeTLJ novel) and was beyond that now. The Knights of Ren are just mid-level force users at most and the Sith always used non-Sith darksiders for their goals - some that were actually strong with the force like the Inquisitors.

Snoke isn't all whip in the TFA novel he went out of his way to say how much potential Kylo had and that he just needed to get his mind right basically (maybe in reality more like he needed Ben to go a little darker even to be able to carry out his plan and take over his young undamaged body).

 

Jason Ward said on his podcast that he’s heard Snoke is from the Unknown Regions.

 

Is that somewhere beneath Palpatine's robes?

 

We all known this since beginning he fond there first order there. Also Snoke/Palatine just as dumb as the plagueis theories.

 

I'm not a fan of Snoke being Palpatine all along, but that would definitely be better (or less worse) than what we have so far.

 

TLJ is awesome

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Possibly. Maybe it's precisely because of what the Skywalkers have done to him in the past. Maybe it's personal. Maybe he's determined to destroy the family from within, and if that's the case, it's working out pretty well for him so far. Han is dead (not technically a Skywalker, but part of the Skywalker extended family), Luke is dead. Ben is essentially dead. Even Leia came close to dying in TLJ. I could definitely see how it would be satisfying for Palpatine to watch the family that bested him destroy itself from within while he pulls the strings.

 

Didn't he say the same about where Palps was hiding? Sounds like they may be brothas from anotha motha!

Seriously though, if Snoke is not connected to Palpatine, then what is the value of either? Snoke is dead and Palpatine has been irrelevant for over 30 years. Once again-no plot, no planning, no point. At least if Snoke and Palpatine are connected it gives the illusion of a plan of some sort.

I mean-why not make it work and why dwell on minute details? It's no different then saying why couldn't the Avengers go back to the moment just before Thano's snap, go for the head, get the gauntlet, and come back to revive everyone.

Trust me. My theory about Snoke being a vessel for Palpatine works. I've tested it over and over in my head. Barely an inconvenience.

 

So the new theory is Palptaine is some ancient ghost leech that goes from body to body? The Skywalkers don't seem invincible tho and don't seem to poses unlimited powah...

 

He completed his training.

 

I so agree with this. If they don't find a way to tie Snoke into the story in a meaningful way in TROS, no amount of interviews to the contrary will ever convince me that there was ever a master plan for this trilogy.

 

@alwayslurking yeah it would mean that TFA and TLJ had no real meaning in this trilogy. They could have been summed up in 5-10 minutes each by just introducing the characters.

@WayoftheJedi Ooh, if I read you right then you mean that by killing Snoke and taking the reigns as the new leader of the FO, Kylo completed his training and is "better" than Vader who gave into love. Again, that's if I read you correctly.

Now, as far as "but what if the plan did NOT work?". Well, anyone can say that about anything from any movie. You can't get hung up on what would have happened if things in a 2-hour movie didn't work right. It would be a different movie if that were the case.

 

A near to death Palpatine is discovered at the bottom of the shaft. A young lieutenant Pryde discovers him and Palpatine transfers his soul to him. Without a high midi-chlorian count Palpatine/Pryde is cut off from the Force and must use his 'other skills' to put himself in a position where he can jump to a suitable body.

 

lol Alright lets make our cases for if Snoke is Palpatine or not. I will go first. Point out why you (or anyone else that wants to) think he isn't and point out while you don't think my points mean much if you want to.

My case for Snoke having always been Palpatine (I admit I didn't buy into this belief until after looking at the TLJ novel and then hearing Palps was returning with rumors on MSW that his spirit jumps into some darksider and then into Kylo in the ending scenes).

These points come from the books if not in Ep 7 or Ep 8 or are opinions of mine from other sources.

1. Snoke literally just popped up out of nowhere as far as we were told when they retreated into the Unknown regions after Palpatine's death etc.
2. TLJ novel tells us that the imperial leadership knew exactly who Snoke was but didn't foresee his rise to power (this tells us clearly that Snoke is not a character they discovered out in the unknown regions but was someone well known to the Imperial leadership in the known parts of the galaxy).
3. TLJ novel tells us Snoke was an unexpected leader of the first order (this tells us most likely it was unexpected due to who he actually was and not due to a lack of power or cunning as Snoke is crazy powerful with the force as shown with how he easily probed Rey when she resisted).
4. The TLJ novel tells us Palpatine’s contingency, Operation Cinder, was engineered to destroy the Empire upon his death and to bring forth a rebirth of it, stronger than it was before and that Snoke used that to his advantage.
5. The TLJ novel says Snoke discovered many truths about the Force in the Unknown Regions, which were waiting to be found. (Interesting because who was the powerful force user infatuated with the unknown regions because he felt a strong darkside place there - Palpatine).
6. The TLJ novel tells us Snoke arrogantly meditates about visions of the future and his own immense power. That when Snoke was younger he learned that the future is always in motion. Be careful or die. (interesting - who does this sound like and who died at Vader's hand after his vision wasn't as accurate as he had foreseen - Palpatine)
7. The Afermath books tell us that the Imperial leadership - the same ones who couldn't believe Snoke came to power thought Tashu was a nut for saying Palpatine would be waiting for them in the unknown regions. The same Tashu that triggered that chain reaction on Jakku while wearing the Sith artifacts.

8. The TLJ novel tells us Snoke has murdered and destroyed legions of countless adversaries, who underestimated him in time’s past. (That sounds familiar)
9. The TLJ novel tells us Snoke either killed the remaining Imperial leadership or arranged for their death and only spared Armitage Hux but Snoke only uses him as a tool.
10. The TLJ novel tells us Snoke had reached a point where he didn't need crude tools like Rey anymore despite her power though in earlier times he could have used someone like her (hinting that Kylo will not be needed anymore pretty soon?)
11. The TLJ novel tells us Snoke and Luke actually met one time while Luke searched for relics and I think it even said Snoke suggested Luke should start training students again (not 100% on that but I think that was in the book). - who does that sound like scheming Luke to do that knowing what he was planning? Who would have the power to keep his darkside evil hidden from someone like Luke?

Serkis: Walking a fine line knowing its Palpatine back from the dead but in a new body
“Obviously he has a huge agenda. He has suffered a lot of damage. As I said, there is a strange vulnerability to him, which belies his true agenda, I suppose.”

“No, he’s a new character in this universe. It is very much a newly-introduced character,” Serkis says. “He’s aware of what’s gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it’d be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree.”

With all that I would like someone to explain how Snoke could be anyone other than Palpatine returned - it would literally make a mockery of things if they had to explain how Snoke was around doing all that with Palpatine level power and now blames the resistance/rebels for his pain and not be Palpatine. The Imperial leadership were shocked Snoke rose to power because it was Palpatine (who they knew) who they thought was gone forever.

 

It sounds a bit far fetched. But would be the easiest and best solution to explain Snoke in all this mess. How is he so powerful, so old, has so much knwoledge about prior events, etc? If he was Palps, a lot of those questions would be settled.