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The New Essential Chronology

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Yoda_Soda, Oct 20, 2005.

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  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Dan- I'm curious about the process you took with this- I assume they gave you a page count limit or word limit or whatever, so, did you focus on certain eras like the films first, and then see how much you had to expand on in the other eras? Or did you go right through and edit down afterwards?
     
  2. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    what does it say about the potentium believe and the new jedi orders new potentium believe? :)
     
  3. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    observation: Theres is a Selkath Sith (or Jedi?) at the battle of ruusan and a pre-incarnation of Tenel Ka

    Were Sidrona Diath and Netus from TOTJ actually Supreme Chancellors?

    we still need species/homeworld info for Tuknatan, Memit Nadill, Dominus, and Netus!

    i have some questions. 1st, two separate dates are given for the creation of Corellian Trade Spine. Eh?

    also, how did Blotus rule as Chancellor 275 years? Were term limits only created with the Ruusan Reformations?

    why did Tibrin move on the map

    shouldn't Vjun be in Auril sector, nearer to Cron Drift and Ossus?

    where on the Rimma is Skor II?

    Is Tython the same as Tythe?

    Kesiak is said to be the capital city of Thule. i thought GATORW called this city Hurom. ?

    The Dai Bendu as origin of the Jedi seems nixed. BUt AOTC ICS called them the "Jedi Bendu". Eh?

    a number of planets still aren't on the mapthat are in the book of import, such as Brath Qella, Ciutric, Azure, Nadiem, Kol Huro, Atraken, Axion, Bassadro, Balamak, Ord Cantrell, Delrian, Skye, Virujansi, Champala, Grizmallt, Borgo Prime, Mizra, Jaga's Cluster, Althir, Vultar, Cathar, Corbos, Thila, Tython, Orion IV, Chrellis, Ondos, Had Abaddon, Vullusk Cluster, Gree, Milvayne, Milagro, Mindor, Jubilar, Bengat, Varn, Cal-Seti, Iskalon, Saijo, and Chatos Academy--help!
     
  4. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    >>>also, how did Blotus rule as Chancellor 275 years? Were term limits only created with the Ruusan Reformations? <<<

    A Hutt led the Republic?


    [face_laugh]
     
  5. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    A "pre-incarnation" of Tenel Ka? Do you mean someone that looks like her?
     
  6. Senator_Cilghal

    Senator_Cilghal Jedi Master star 5

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    yes indeed, crown and all!

    two more questions:

    why is Tahl's death dated 39 BBY instead of 41 BBY?

    Why are Darth Kreia and Darth Traya listed separately? Kreia=Dart Traya. Nihilius, Sion, and Kreia all died, so how could a Darth have survived the Sith Civil War? Why did a Sith NEED to survive? I thought a Dark Jedi "refounded" the Sith 2000 BBY.... this seems contradictory, if they had survived all along
     
  7. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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    Which makes more *slightly* more sense than there being a Selkath Jedi Council master three years after the Exar Kun war...but there's also this "Planet Hoppers" bit to consider:

    Without kolto, Manaan rapidly fell into decline. Never a member of the Republic, their petition to join the body was rebuffed, causing the proud native Selkath to swear that their world would never again seek to join with offworlders for any reason.


    o_O


    Roughly three thousand years has a way of smoothing off lots of rough relationship-edges, but it's still highly unlikely any carp-head ever entered the Jedi Order except through the occasional caviar-snatch.


    Ayup. Not bad for someone coming from CzerkaLand, despite buying the farm so soon into the Sith War at Basilisk. (Netus was his Defense Minister, and thus next in the succession-line, IIRC.)


    That's the implication, considering Blotus's rather distant era.


    That's where Dark Rendezvous places it, from what I recall.


    Not made clear. All we have right now is the new Jedi Order origin-history for Tython.


    It does (p. 141), but my fix for this is that the newer CIS facilities (and the major communications center) from the game ended up subsuming Hurom's status during and after the Clone Wars...it's even described in-game as "the capital city."


    Both still appear valid. The Power of the Jedi backstory now retroactively places multiple offshoot sects throughout the galaxy (on Utapau, Ossus, Had Abaddon, and elsewhere), formed by the crusading ancient Jedi Knights after the Bogan Wars of Tython.

    "Dai Bendu" simply looks to be an alternate name for the Ashla-disciples.
     
  8. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I have two problems with this:

    1) Way too much Clone Wars junk, and

    2) No listing of sources.
     
  9. Leto II

    Leto II Jedi Padawan star 6

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  10. 000

    000 Jedi Master star 4

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    Here's your source listing. More detailed than anything that would've been included in the book, for sure.

    I picked it up today. The illustrations suck, sure enough, but everything else looks excellent.
     
  11. Ive_Got_Two_Legs

    Ive_Got_Two_Legs Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Is it actually stated that Netus was Defense Minister? It seems odd that Defense Minister would be sooner in line of succession than Vice Chair, or that a line of succession even exists in a parliamentary system...
     
  12. TIEPilot051999

    TIEPilot051999 Jedi Master star 7

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    Personally, I prefer it over the complete lack of it in the previous edition.
     
  13. QuentinGeorge

    QuentinGeorge Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    what does it say about the potentium believe and the new jedi orders new potentium believe?

    Potentium was formed c. 100 BBY, specifically in response to the idea that the Dark Side was growing in power.

    Yoda was leader of the initative to have the Potentium followers expelled from the order.

    Roughly three thousand years has a way of smoothing off lots of rough relationship-edges, but it's still highly unlikely any carp-head ever entered the Jedi Order except through the occasional caviar-snatch.

    Come on LetoII, Tatooine was never an official member of the Republic -but look at the oodles of Jedi it provided - Anakin, A'Sharad Hett, the entire Diath clan...

    Both still appear valid. The Power of the Jedi backstory now retroactively places multiple offshoot sects throughout the galaxy (on Utapau, Ossus, Had Abaddon, and elsewhere), formed by the crusading ancient Jedi Knights after the Bogan Wars of Tython.

    "Dai Bendu" simply looks to be an alternate name for the Ashla-disciples.


    From what I gather, there were many alternative force traditions "absorbed" into the Jedi Order over the millenia. The ones from Tython were simply the most influential.
     
  14. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    Pleease scan that proto-inc tenel ka for me^^ and other pictures, thx!
     
  15. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    All right, I withdraw my comment about no sources. The one about the Clone Wars still stands, though.

    Also, tons of tiny little errors. Referring to the Myrkr mission as the "Wayland mission," or not mentioning Pellaeon's promotion to Grand Admiral...little things kept cropping up.
     
  16. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Darth Sidious was aware of the Chosen One's existance on Tatooine, and sent Darth Maul there to kill the Jedi to prevent Anakin from falling into Jedi hands :eek:
     
  17. Eddie

    Eddie Jedi Master star 3

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    Where is that said?!
     
  18. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    Praxelwax wrote:

    Question: I loved the new feature at starwars.com, showing the resources that you cited from; did you ever use or reference or cite any fan made material / guides when compiling the latest Chronology???

    I didn't (nor could I) cite any fan-created material, but certain fan reference guides (Bob Vitas' encyclopedia, Timetales, Jason Fry's planet listing) are a useful doublecheck. In those cases I might scan a guide to remind myself of where something was referenced, and then go back to the original source for incorporation.

    Dan
     
  19. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    CooperTFN wrote:

    Hi Dan! The only thing I've seen or heard about so far that's remotely disappointed me is Ventress' appearance in Boba Fett: Pursuit. If the book takes place between Rendili and Obsession, doesn't there need to be some kind of fix there?

    Maybe, but 'tis better IMO to sidestep a murky fix and leave the door open for a clean fix later on. (That section of the timeline, particularly at the time I was completing the manuscript, was definitely murky.)

    Otherwise, absolutely wonderful job. The Clone Wars/LoE issues are handled perfectly. And I'm loving all the new info, too. Did you write that endnotes article on TOS, as well? I'm gonna be perusing that alone for probably the next couple days.

    Nope, credit where credit is due, the endnotes article was written by Pablo Hidalgo.
     
  20. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    Quest wrote:

    Dan- I'm curious about the process you took with this- I assume they gave you a page count limit or word limit or whatever, so, did you focus on certain eras like the films first, and then see how much you had to expand on in the other eras? Or did you go right through and edit down afterwards?

    I wrote all the new sections (Clone Wars, NJO) first, and then when I realized the book was way, way too long, went back and edited down all the old sections (TOTJ, Jedi Academy).

    As a few have pointed out, some eras are significantly longer than others, but it's generally a function of how many stories have been told in that era. Regarding the Clone Wars, I was coming down from the (unpublished) Clone Wars Sourcebook, and my CW-filled brain leaned toward providing too much detail rather than not enough.
     
  21. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    Are you sure about two different dates being provided for the Corellian Trade Spine? The "Corellian Run" was blazed early in Republic history (circa 25,000-24,000 BBY), while the Corellian Trade Spine is a much later route, having been blazed circa 3000 BBY.

    And my understanding is that Tython is a distinct world than Tythe.
     
  22. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    I thought I got Tahl's death from LFL's own dating documents, but I'll allow that I could have screwed up. Thanks for pointing it out and I'll investigate further.

    Yep, my bad regarding Darth Kreia and Darth Traya. Obviously, GFFA Archivist Emeritus Voren Na'al has been confused by their separate identities in the historical record and the murky passage of time. ;)
     
  23. Dan Wallace

    Dan Wallace Author: Essential Atlas, Essential Guides, RPG star 3 VIP

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    You're right about the Wayland typo -- we first noticed it a month or two ago, but way too late to prevent it from appearing in the first print run.

    Regarding Pellaeon, why is that an error? It's an omission, and a deliberate one on my part, since I'm uncomfortable with what seems to me to be an out-of-character moment for Pelleaon to either promote himself, or allow himself to be promoted, to that rank. If I were redoing the New Essential Guide to Characters I would have tackled it, but it seemed easy to skip it this time around as an issue outside of the scope of the NEC.
     
  24. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    can you post/tell us what you had to cut out?
     
  25. Thanos6

    Thanos6 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    You're right that it would be out of character for Pellaeon to promote himself, but I don't think he would have a problem with the Moff Council giving him the white uniform. Even he has a tiny bit of an ego. ;)

    But anyway, this is unquestionably the definitive SW work. Super Kudos for working in all the Marvel stuff.

    Oh, and Ultra Kudos for "Blotus the Hutt Chancellor." Glad to see a good Hutt once in a while.
     
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