Lit The New (Mostly) Comprehensive Clone Wars (L-canon?) Timeline

Legends pretty firmly established that Raxus from TCW was a different planet than Raxus Prime.
It is even formally named "Raxus Secundus" in an episode guide.

I personally like the idea that it is colloquially called "Raxus" alone because nobody in their right mind would want to travel to the junk world.

 

Raxus and Raxus II are simply two planets in the same system.

 

So I guess I'll share these in the thread too since they relate to mixing old and nu-canon together.


I'm working on a cut of Episode 4 that puts the Siege, Coruscant, and the film together. Not sure how I'd share such a thing (I don't want the Mouse visiting my house), but let's just say a full cut will exist after May 4th. Here's a conceptual teaser in 4k, at least.



Also made a series tribute back in March with footage from all 7 seasons, as well as some of the appropriate EU material as well. Again, to me, this is all one story told across 18 years of releases.

 

Also, tiny sample of what I'm working on now...

But after we've discussed it, here's a tiny sample of my "canon friendly" micro-series ending edit... inspired by this very thread.

 

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-clone-wars-timeline-siege-of-mandalore-books-comics

How do people feel about this article? The placements don't make any sense to me, honestly.

 

That is a weird placement. The older starwars.com placement went: A) Ahsoka leaves the Jedi, B) Lost Missions, C) Crystal Crisis, D) Bad Batch, E) Dark Disciple I F) Son of Dathomir, G) Dark Disciple II. It seems that now Bad Batch has been moved closer to ROTS, and there are apparently months between Ahsoka's Walkabout and Siege of Mandalore, but otherwise I would assume the old order still holds.

https://web.archive.org/web/2019080...ars-the-clone-wars-chronological-episodeorder

 

That article doesn't hold any weight, so I'm not paying it any mind. We may get a more officially chronology towards the end of the show in the next few weeks, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be similar to what's already been established here (Crystal Crisis, Son of Dathomir, Ashoka's Walkabout, Bad Batch, Siege... with Dark Disciple split inbetween most of this.)

My biggest issue right now is waiting to see just how these last 2 episodes integrate with the rest of RoTS. I'm literally going to be breaking it down scene by scene now in a personal edit, so I'm going all in on this. The last montage of the RoTS ending takes place over several days, so I'm betting the final scenes of the episode will fit somewhere in this gap....

Unless Filoni pulls a fast one and advances the timeline like the end of Rebels, but that would be truly odd. We can figure out a lot of what's happening in tomorrow's episode, but there's a lot of mystery surrounding the finale.

 

As another little project to work on, I'm also treating the entire microseries in 4K HDR and editing it in such a way that makes a chronological viewing of the show possible with TCW. The above can give you a taste of how it looks.

(Note: This will look best on an actual 4K HDR capable screen, else it will look colorful, but a bit dark on SDR screens. Blame youtube's HDR to SDR metadata conversions. Watch on an HDR TV if possible for the best impression.)

I can't and won't link to any full episodes here (obviously), but to give you an idea of how a viewing order would work with canon...

Episode 1 (42ish minutes) - The Battle of Muunilinst and Anakin vs Ventress conflict. Ends with her defeat.

Episode 2 (43 minutes) - focuses on the Jedi Generals and their efforts in the war, leading into Anakin's knighting and growth before TCW. Ends right after the scene where Anakin gets his scar. You can start with the TCW movie right after this ends. His Eta-2 Actis class interceptor will just have to be ignored, or assumed to be some kind of odd prototype resembling a later model, Like this guy... https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/R-22_Spearhead/Legends

Episode 3 (26 minutes) - A cut of the battle of Nelvaan and some battles leading into it, ending in a teaser for the battle of Coruscant. This could be slotted in after the Bad Batch arc, but right before the start of the Siege of Mandalore, covering the final weeks of the war before the end begins. Ends with the scene of Dooku training Grievous to set up the attack on Coruscant.

 

So the finale is done, and I can return to work on the rest of the Order 66 time period material soon. Been busy finishing up a project that... well... lets just say it relates to this thread and the ideas discussed here. Said project is done now and I'll have time to resume work on the timeline/list of media soon.

Overall? Now that the show's done, and all the dust has settled, I feel pretty good about what we have up to now.

 

One thing I'm wondering is how Ion Squad was able to shake off Order 66 in Dark Lord novel. At the time Dark Lord was written, Order 66 was not a brain chip thing but just a result of clones bred to be overly literal and following exact orders. Once TCW showed clones as more independent and able to disobey orders, the brain chip was invented as a plot device. The problem for Legends, however, was that the brain chip is shown as extremely difficult to resist. So, how was Ion Squad able to resist killing Roan.

I looked up Ion Squad's history, but they were created for Dark Lord. Then I looked up Roan himself and noticed something very, very interesting. His wookieepedia article stated that over the course of the Clone Wars, his Force abilities diminished to the point he could barely do simple Force feats. Then it hit me, is the brain chip tied to the target's Force sensitivity? We know in the Canon Marvel comics that once Order 66 hits, clones will even target inquisitors and people not formally members of the Jedi Order. How does that even work? I'm thinking the brain chip influences the clones brain to target those of extremely high Force power, and once the words order 66 are said, they become unable to stop themselves from shooting these Force powerful targets.

But when someone like Roan has lost most of his Force ability, the power of the brain chip diminishes. Thus, Ion Team are able to resist to start questioning it, and able to break free of the chip's influence.

Your thoughts?

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The other clones are hunting Roan and try to kill him. It's only the Commandos who are baffled by the order, so probably the Commandos were bred differently then regular clones, and had less genetic tampering.

 

Makes sense but what about the Jedi in the Agri-Corps?
They weren't that Force-attuned from what I remember but they died, right?
Maybe there was a defect in their chips, like what happened in the Season 6 arc?
That's what made Tup kill that Jedi right?

 

The infantry could still be after him on account of their orders. Even without their chips working the clones are probably quite loyal to whatever orders Palpatine gives.

 

Since the Jedi are spread out across the Galaxy, it would take some time to get them all. There are probably many out on missions unrelated to the war, like maybe the agricorps.

I don't buy that their loyalty to Palpatine would be greater than their generals who are with them, on the ground, caring for them, leading from the front, bringing them victories, etc. Palpatine is just an old guy public servant. Perhaps once he's emperor, all troops would have to swear loyalty to him personally, and might be able to get that level of compliance.

With Roan's soldiers, there's no debate, just the new mission: kill Roan and the others.

 

I addressed this briefly in the other thread when reviewing the episode. Rex, while he failed to resist the chip, did in fact at least resist it long enough to tell Ashoka about Fives. Out of millions and millions of clones, there are likely a small few who broke through their programming. It's actually quite imporbable that there wouldn't be, as no technology has a 100% success rate.

Rex's resistance opens the door to a very few small clones being able to do this, while the fact that he failed to resist also correctly points out that it's a nearly impossible task for the average, or even above average clone. Nearly impossible does not mean completely impossible. I saw things in this episode as validation for old EU elements rather than contradictions of them (Order 66 was also discussed and mentioned as a sort of contingency, similar to what it was in the old EU. An order on Paper that seemed innocently unlikely to ever be used, especially as it was right next to Order 65 which specified that the Chancellor should be deposed.)

 

(So there may or may not be a version of Revenge of the Sith out there that combines the 2003 series bits and Siege into one coherent 4.5 hour super edit with deleted scenes too, showing that the EU and canon can still play in the same sandbox with some creativity.

But I would have no idea where such a thing is. Nope. None whatsoever.)

 

Hmm, Commandos can resist it more easily? That's good news for the Traviss novels, if so - as most of the key characters were commandos there, whether regular or ARC troopers/Nulls.

 

Are there any thoughts, or is there a consensus, on the timeline placements for the following?:

- Choose Your Destiny: A Clone Trooper Mission
- Tales from Vader's Castle #1
- Age of Republic: General Grievous
- Age of Republic: Padme Amidala
- Forces of Destiny: The Starfight Stunt
- Forces of Destiny: Unexpected Company
- The Clone Wars Magazine Comics (Titan)

 

T2Q MOD EDIT- "Not from a Jedi (Council Forum)". Please do not request that here.

 

Just to put it to rest for the ease of the mods, I will not answer any more direct questions here on the forum publicly about the above implied project.

You'll have to do some Jedi sleuthing of your own.

 

Do you think Nelvaan fits better into the timeline before or after the Bad Batch arc?

Guess it could be placed just after the Yoda episodes in the Lost Missions as they have the same trippy, force vision induced vibe?

Somewhere between these episodes and Bad Batch makes sense to me as Nelvaan has both the force vision themes and the Techno Union as main protagonists (experimenting on lifeforms in both as well)

 

The similarities between these designs, especially the arms, support my theory that Techno Union experiments on Echo and Nelvaan at similar times...

 

I found a video as well that goes into some of the finer details of how the chronologies work together. Surprisingly, Padme's pregnancy is perfectly explained here.

EDIT:
And a very exact deduction of how Anakin splitting the 501st fits with how we see eleven cruisers together at Nelvan(212th & 501st), five cruisers belonging to the 212th (the fleet Obi-Wan brings to Utapau), six cruisers belonging to the 501st. Leaving only three for Commander Rex to bring to Mandalore... which is exactly what we see in TCW S7. Impressive, most impressive.

 

I watched that yesterday, I like what the poster has done but not sure it quite works assuming Nelvaan is happening as the attack on Coruscant happens and then there still being time for the opening on Yerbana.

Is there anything in either show that would place Nelvaan before or after Bad Batch arc? I think Nelvaan prob after Trace arc as Anakin still on Coruscant in that one.

 

Did they ever name the planet Anakin and Kenobi were on when they get the message to go to Nelvaan in the 2D Clone Wars?