The Official Alpha, the ARC Troopers and the Commandos Thread

>>"And ARCs aren't Commanders, even if it's hard to believe for ya..."<<

James Luceno consistently refers to Commanders as 2nd-Generation ARCs, or sometimes even "ARC Commanders".

 

But this was a fault from Luceno, you see, in LoF he even makes Cody an ARC...

Commanders are only trained as ARC and trained by ARCs, but they are none...

 

But Luceno wrote the Visual Dictionary!

Besides, the red commander in question isn't labelled as an ARC trooper. It simply says "Advanced Recon" next to him.

 

Luceno only made Cody an ARC in the preview. It was fixed for the Hardcover release to make it so that Commanders are considered sencond-generation ARC's because the ARC's trained them and allowed them to choose names. It's official that Commanders are second-generation ARC's.

 

Ok, ok...
But still those in the background ain't ARCs...


Maybe the red one is one, but he doesn't show up in the movie...

 

Maybe they're reinforcements headed for Felucia with Drake and Stass Allie?

 

The ones in the background?

Again, look at them closely, and you will see they're not red but orange, and the left one looks really like Cody. The right one has the markings of the 2nd Utapau Commander, so they are the two Utapau Commanders...

 

But they're wearing kama, which Cody didn't have.

 

Ya, that's right...

The color is orange (of both), the right one looks like the 2nd Commander... and as we know, in the 2nd Utapau battalion all troopers look like the commander, so maybe the left one is just one of the troopers? This also makes sense, 'cause the commander has taken off his helmet, the trooper hasn't, as a sign of respect...

A bit better pic of 'em:
[image=http://img28.echo.cx/img28/9595/2ndbattalionsoldiers6xc.gif]

 

Sounds good, yeah.

 

Ya, but bit strange:
some of the 2nd battalion troopers have a kama, some not... look here:

[image=http://img197.echo.cx/img197/9987/2ndbattalionsoldiers29ga.gif]

In the next scene, there's also one without kama, but in the scene where Obi get's his LS back, there are two with kama...

And I guess, the one reporting to Cody actually is the "real" Commander...

 

Chalk the kama/non-kama nature of the 2nd battalion up to rank.

 

Yeah, that's true...
But then there are many Sergeants/Lieutenants/Captains in the 2nd battalion...

But I still want the OS to give us more info 'bout the other planets...

 

Actually i examined Bly's forces & i discovered all of the clones that shot the jedi had ARC shoulder pads & skirts on.

 

Does anyone have any good pictures of commander Gree's BARC tropers?

 

Commander_Bly676 posted on 6/3/05 11:42am

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Actually i examined Bly's forces & i discovered all of the clones that shot the jedi had ARC shoulder pads & skirts on.
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The "shoulder pads" are called pauldrons and the "skirts" are called kama ;)

I see, you're quite new here, but we already know the stuff bout Bly's 327th ;)

And we still don't excatly know, if Gree's 41st Elite Corps are BARCs, so still to wait...
and no, I've no pic

 

What ever happened to this?

[image=http://img114.echo.cx/img114/1350/badtothebone4du4ka4hr.jpg]

Think it was a CGI concept or just cut?

The trooper looks more suited for Felucia than Kashyyyk.

 

According to the card game it is on Felucia, although he does look like he's on Kashyyyk.

 

A bit strange, quoting oneself...

Corran_Fett posted on 5/31/05 9:37am

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This is a good idea, but we've seen other BARC troopers on Felucia (not in the movie...) too. And don't forget Neyo's BARCs. And if they were BARCs, why no entry in the database?

Here a pic to the Felucia one: [image=http://img34.echo.cx/img34/4237/barcspeeder5rx.jpg]
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It was just said it is no fake, long time ago, and yes, it's rather Felucia than Kashyyyk, actually must be Felucia :D

EDIT:
I guess they mixed something up, but I don't think a card game is canon...

 

You'd be surprised - the CCG and the TCG are both canon, often adding lots to the EU (the old Decipher CCG moreso).

 

"Does anyone have any good pictures of commander Gree's BARC tropers?"

Not that they are BARC troopers or anything, but:

[image=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/Qu_klaani/clonescout.jpg]

and on Kashyyyk:

[image=http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/wookiee/img/movie2_bg.jpg]
[image=http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/luminaraunduli/img/movie2_bg.jpg]

 

Tam_Elgrin posted on 6/3/05 1:32pm

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You'd be surprised - the CCG and the TCG are both canon, often adding [i]lots[/i] to the EU (the old Decipher CCG moreso).
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Ok, but that just cannot be Kashyyyk there, we all see that... - it's just a lil fault...


@Qu_Klaani
Where you got that first camo clone pic from?

 

The visual dictionary.

 

I don't want to comment too much right now, but I'm involved with a project that will hopefully straighten a lot of this out for you guys.

Suffice to say, the whole time I was in continuity, no one mentioned that anyone in the movie was an original ARC trooper. ILM grabbed the awesome armor because it was, well, awesome... but I never heard of any named or background character as being an original-batch ARC.

"2nd-gen ARCs..." I think we should just dispense with that term. It's very confusing. The Commanders got trained with ARC training, yes, but they probably got LOTS of cool specialized training. Are you going to attach every single piece of special training to their names?

2nd-Gen-ARC-pilot-BARC-scuba-diver-knows-a-few-words-of-Huttese-can-use-his-left-hand-to-write Commander Cody?

The ARCs are the initial batch of 100+/- guys who were sans obedience modification. Those are the ARCs.

Everyone else is just a clone.

 

>>"The ARCs are the initial batch of 100+/- guys who were sans obedience modification. Those are the ARCs."<<

What about the ARCs such as Nate who were chosen from batches of 1,000 regular clones? Or those who were selected to be ARCs but weren't trained by Jango (did they become the Clone Assassins?)