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@Narancia

You do me great honor Blade Brother. The purple symbol is a mystery, perhaps its a blending of the red of the Sith and the blue of the Jedi? There are words written above it, if we dicpher them we will know what it stands for.

The Problem of Evil I can answer more readily in the Milky Way galaxy, in a Galaxy, Far, Far, Away... it is more complicated. The Force is all knowing and all powerful, but where does good and evil stem from? Is the dark side evil? As a Jedi Knight I was inclined to answer in the affirmative, but now as a Grey and Disciple of the Whills I believe the Force, both Light and Dark is good. What makes evil is a choice, when Force Users choose to conquer the weak, opress them, and genocide those who have different views, evil makes its way into the actions of the user, but it does not originate from The Force, evil is the absence of the Force’s Will, which is life, even those who die are with the source of life, The Force, “There is no death, There is the Force,” even Darth Marr who sat on the Dark Council agreed with this tenet of the Jedi. If the Force is life, all life stems from it, than death is not death, but we go from life to Life itself. Then even the Sith when they slay Jedi and beings they are sending them to the Force. So what advantage is there to being a Jedi, Sith, or Grey, if we all become One with the Force? The advantage is to make the most of this life, will you wield the power of Ashla and Bogan to do good, to bring life, or will you sow evil, use your powers tp corrupt, incur suffering on others, bulld opression, and torture the living? A Sith does greater evil building an empire that crushes the living, limiting the potential of sentients and reducing them to slavery; this is evil, and why Jolee Bindo, a Grey Jedi fought Malak and his empire; its not the death toll, “There is no death,” its safeguarding the living, to let people be free to make their own choice between Grey, Light, Dark or none. Evil is taking the choices from others, which arguably can be killing, because you took their right to live away, then again the Force wills everything and it could have been they’re time. For sure evil is to opress and control the living from living freely and being allowed to make their own choice without coercision and fear.

Another advantage we have by being Grey, is that it was The Shaman of the Whills, a Grey Wizard (wise man) who learned the ability of eternal consciousness, to return as a Force Ghost and help the living truly live and not surcome to evil which seeks fo take all choices away and push people through one choice: bondage.

I hope this answers your question at least from my certain point of view. We battle the building of evil in empires weither claiming to be light or dark, for the Force does not control, it awakens and guides, but ultimately the indiviudal decides to submit to its will and learn its ways or not.

 

Good...good...

That makes sense to me but I still do wonder how can we explain the Darkside? It is a manifestation of the force surged by the power of passion after all but if left unchecked will lead down a path of hedonism and a need for domination. That isn't to say that the need for domination is inherently bad but it will become so if not done in a safe environment. I view the dark as a drug, once hooked onto the euphoric ideology of caring for oneself it's hard to go back because it's so much easier to live just for oneself, that's why we see so many well-intentioned force users become Sith once they start using the dark side for good, it's a slippery slope and it must be balanced with the light. But I am not as familiar with the Darkside as you are seeing as you apprenticed under the lords of the Sith, so what's your take on it @Kato Sai

 

Nods with visible encouragement @Kato Sai, who is providing critical wisdom to his Blade Brother.

 

@Narancia

Oh you want to go deep tonight, deep in the mysteries of the Force.

The dark side is a aspect of the Force that gains strength on passion. Is it a drug? As a former Sith Acolyte who employed Force Rage often, even against myself, it certainly felt like intoxication. The fruit of the dark side seems rotten doesn’t it? Death tolls, opressive empires, unbridled violence, marring or rotting of the flesh, and selfishness. The truth is I believe Bogan, the dark side is a lie. The Force is One. The dark side is when a Force user takes the passion and decided to use it for evil ends, that is in the aforementioned ways. What if there is no Light or Dark Side, at least not as presented by the Jedi or Sith? What if such compartmentalization hinders us learning the deeper truth of the Force? What if we unmasked Ashla and Bogan to find the same face?

The Dark Side is passion without discipline. For passion can be “ardent affection (love)” that wouldn’t be self focused, to love someone lets them feel love as much as the person showering love on another. The Sith have taken passion and martialized it, they feed the dark side into a corrupt form, self-centric to the point of madness. Its not the dark side that corrupts them, the corruption is already there, its just when you add passion to corruption you often get tyrants.

I continue to use the maxims of light and dark side to describe principles, powers, and philsophies, but we embrace both, passion with peace. I argue you cannot wield the dark side unless you first master yourself, have control of your feelings and passions, otherwise the power invoked from Bogan becomes too much and the person becomes wild, like a Reek rushing on every percieved need to assert strength and dominance.

 

But no seriously I am kinda having a crisis. Ever since our last discussion and the sudden appearance of @Shadowsun, I've realized I respect the Sith wayyyy more than the Jedi. I respect their ability to not lie to themselves. The Jedi are essentially slaves to their code and very few Jedi have different philosophies when it comes to the force, unlike the Sith. Darth Bane, Revan, Krayt, Gravid, Sidious, Plaugieus, and Malgus all serve the same gamut of the force but have radically different takes on it as opposed to the Jedi. The dark just intrigues me so much right now, I think I need grey rehab.

 

I had the same crisis myself, it lead me to the Sith. As Grey we do not forbid the dark, no we gorge ourselves on it and bask in the Light as well. Some of us remain at present more towards the Jedi in our attitudes and behaviors, others lean more towards the Sith. For instance, our sister Arren @Ava G. is a Dark Jedi Grey, she remains deeply emersed in the dark side.

I myself am at a point of being rather 50/50, on some days I feel Darth Tormentum touch my heart and I yearn for my gothic armor and to walk amomg the Tombs of the Dark Lords, on other days I feel a paladin, my old Jedi Consular self desiring virtue and to help others.

Rather than call it a crises, why not acknolwedge what you are feeling is natural. The darkness and the light are both welcome here, but as Sith you’d have to shun the light, which may seem natural now, but take my word for it, as a Sith you will recieve no mercy, you will be mistreated tell you are numb and give in to a mania that consumes worlds, but even though there be others among you, you will be in actuality alone, and have to watch the acolyte next to you with suspicion and distrust, for it is cutthroat game in the Empire, you will have to assert your supremacy perpetually.

As a former traditional Jedi, I understand why you are not taken with Jedi and their code, as I said before they adhere staunchly to their code to avoid the pitfalls of the dark side, of the madness that comes without disicpline.

I prefer the more reformed Jedi Code by Odan-Urr, Master of Freedon Nadd and Nomi Sunrider:

“Emotion, yet peace.
Ignorance, yet knowledge.
Passion, yet serenity.
Chaos, yet harmony.
Death, yet the Force.“

Oppose to the stricter code:

“There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.”

The Altisian Jedi are among my favorite unorthodox Jedi Order due to their allowing marriage (Passion, Ardent Affection) and Masters having more than one Padawan.

I love this quote by an Altisian Master, “Every student is obliged to make one-thousand-eighty major mistakes. The sooner you make them, the sooner you will not have to make them anymore. Thinking there's a list of mistakes is mistake number four.” (DJINN ALTIS).

 

Hmm, unable to access a computer to write out my complete thoughts but give me a moment my Grey friends. I shall write something soon.

 

I've seen. I have been lurking on the Sith board. I've yet to lurk on the Jedi boards though.

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I just wonder about dark side groups that are not allied with the Sith such as the Nightsisters or the Black knights. Will they operate the same as the Sith and crave domination? My hypothesis is that they don't but display a wanton disregard for others that are not them.

 

Duo-membership in the True Sith Empire and here in Grey Jedi Order isn’t prohibited. I was a Sith Acolyte and Grey Jedi Initate at the same time for a while.

So if you desire to become Sith Peon, you can still be Narancia here.

 

I know, that rule isn't lost on me brother, and I do remember that you were with them once upon a time. I just won't allow myself, both orders have a staunch hierarchy system that I am not completely fond of and I wish to remain true to the way of Grey. Besides if I join them I will literally be proving the detractors of the Grey right. Or maybe I'm taking it too seriously? I don't know yet, I just want to make a fully informed choice before I decide but I've seen.....things.

 

Your devotion to the Grey is admirable my blade brother. A true Jenasaarai are you.

The hierachy of the Jedi and Sith has merits and detractors. On one hand you know who to appeal to in disagreements and conflicts. On the other hand stricter hierarchy can be repressive, one can find that they are unable to venture as far as they wish in knowledge and power due to fixed measures of who can do what or know what. I prefer the more gentle rule here, where questions and assertions are welcome as long they are presented in an amicable and respectful manner. Here I have found a sanctuary to explore the mysteries the Force without fear of upsetting the status quo or ruffling too many feathers.

I am unorthodox, and my assertions can at times seem presumptuous or as if I am unwillng to bend to a different view point; in a stricter hierarchy this gets misconstrued as being insubordinate, when in truth I pose my assertions in hope of meeting the opposing view.

 

*settles in desk*

*switches on light*

*clicks play on study playlist*

Well, in advance I apologize as this is likely to be one of what I call 'Shadowsun rambles' (@greyjedi125 )

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Now first I would like to dissect these two sections side by side. Narancia you make a very good point, there is a lot of disagreement amongst the Sith amongst what is the true nature of the Dark Side, and what is best for the Sith Order. For instance one such discussion by my Master I was tasked with naming Sith Lords that went too deep into the dark side. Now, this may seem strange, isn't the goal of the Sith to go as deep as possible into the dark side. Well yes and no. Let me explain.

The fundamental differences between the Sith and the Jedi do not extend to merely what side of the Force they employ, but also to their philosophies on how the Force should be used. To the Jedi, they serve the Force, to the Sith the Force serves them. To say that the Dark side is passion without discipline is I think inaccurate, true and complete darkness yes I would agree with, but most Sith control the Dark Side, a double-edged sword the bend to their will in order to control it, is this weapon often corrosive and consumes the user, yes at times.

But to the Sith the Force is a tool. A means to power, they care not for what it actually is. They don't respect it. In stark contrast to the Jedi, who serve the force, obsessed with 'keeping it in balance'. What @Kato Sai is describing above I would say is what happens when a Sith lets themselves go entirely to be consumed by the Dark Side. Most in the Sith Order would consider this a failing your emotions are not supposed to control you, you use them as tools to achieve power. An infamous example of this is Darth Nihilus which you can read more about here.

Bogan, I would disagree is very much so not a lie, just as Ashla is not a lie, my own interpretation is comparing the Force to a flat cloth, with peaks and valleys, the Force is one but the dark and light are sides to the Force. It isn't called the dark Force or the light Force, nay the dark side of the Force. What is the distinction? Well, I see it as the Force being a well of power that one can draw from, and which path you go down, the dark or the light is how you draw from that well. You can go 'quick' and 'easy' getting lots out of the well very quickly or you can take your time, be patient and draw power at a gradual rate. This is supported further that if you look at places that define the dark side or the light side they often define it as a 'method of using the Force' not 'an aspect of the Force' it is a subtle and yet crucial distinction. So in other words what I'm saying is dark, grey, light these are not different aspects of the same thing, no they are different perspectives and methods looking into the same thing, that we call the Force.

I researched doing this and could be completely wrong here are a list of my sources, feel free to tear this argument apart I'm all for that :

Dark side of the Force | Wookieepedia | Fandom
Light side of the Force | Wookieepedia | Fandom
Darth Nihilus | Wookieepedia | Fandom
The Force | Wookieepedia | Fandom

 

To be clear when I said that Bogan, the dark side is a lie, I meant the concept thereof, I meant there is no light or dark, but One Force. I was making a point that seperating the Force into Light or Dark is unneccessary, that no side is really light or dark, what makes it light or dark is how it is judged by people, for example institutions like the Republic, and individuals; ergo labeling the Force as light and dark is subjective unless deemed by a large number of sentients as light or dark, but that’s a consensus, not the truth, the Force is both Light and Dark, and neither.

I was answering the Problem of Evil, and how good and evil are not the Light and the Dark Side; so I meant Bogan is a lie because such terms of labeling the Force as light or dark was with the aim of labeling it good or evil, which the Force as I argued is not evil, thus a dark side in those semantics of right and wrong doesn’t exist, but in terms of what you meant, that there is a Light and Dark Side of the Force that Jedi and Sith tap into, yes these poles exist, at least until we oneday tear down the labels and see it as just The Force.

I did confess I choose to speak in the constructs of light and dark, mainly because few are ready to shirk these terms and embrace that the Light and Dark Side are not sides, they are the same Force with labels and philsophies created by those who wanted to judge what is proper or not to wield.

You said, “But to the Sith the Force is a tool. A means to power, they care not for what it actually is. They don't respect it.“ i must contend that most of the Sith do care what the Force actually is or else how could they teach about the dark side, if they do not know what it is how can they take apprentices and pass on the knowledge of Bogan? The Sith respect the Force, if they did not respect it, there would be no need for holocrons, to pass on the knowledge of the dark side, this shows the upmost respect by keeping Sith traditions dating back to the earliest dark siders, “respect due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others.” The Sith respect their own traditions of the Force, this is obvious in their keeping the Sith Code from generation to generation.

To your point that there are diverse cults within the Sith that differ vastly on their purpose, and what the dark side is to be used for, on this matter you are correct. Not all Sith are the same, what holds the different groups in common is the Sith Code, and using the Dark Side. Otherwise they are as diveree as the Jedi, Altisian Jedi, New Jedi Order, and Ths Guardians of Light.

 

Both tenets are true.

 

Ah my friend, I think you misunderstood what I was saying, or at least I did not explain it well enough. Yes the Force is one. But light and dark are not aspects of the Force, they are not what people use to describe the Force itself, at least I think they shouldn't. The light and dark are how one uses and taps into the Force, hence my example with the well. Which is a very different thing from say there is a light and dark aspect of Force. The dark and light are methods not actually the Force itself.

Hmm, yes that's fair I suppose my larger point was actually that generally speaking the Sith's primary goal is power, the Force is a means to an end, if the Force did not offer great power they would not care about it. So yeah the care what it is, sure, but if the Force magically stopped being useful one day they would gravitate to some other form of power.

Ah yes, the Sith are diverse, but I think we should bring something else up. Is the dark and the light exclusive to the Sith and the Jedi. No it is not, the Sith and the Jedi are just orders, belief systems, (hence the Sith code would not apply to non-Sith dark side groups such as the Sorcerers of Tund) The methods of the dark and the light expand far beyond these two orders.

 

@darthbernael , @Kato Sai , @Shadowsun

Polmath nods slowly at points and counter points being made, feeling no need to insert himself in the discussion as knowledge, learning and discovery take place. However, he does wonder if Darth Azathoth is showing himself to be a darker shade of grey, or is he merely the possessor of such understanding. Only time would tell.

 

The Dark and Light are methods, well said. They are how groups like the Jedi and Sith interpret the Force, but I believe they fall short of the mystery. The Jed’aii were closer, expecting their disciples to emerse themselves in the Light and Darkness, and if one should fall out of balance, be marooned on the moons of Ashla or Bogan tell they came into balance. This is our goal as well, but I argue that dividing the Force into categories of Light and Dark falls short of the reality that The Force is One.

Proof the Force is One is the Eye of Ashlanae, which is seen in the old Jed’aii temples, and yet is adopted by the Sith as an a sacred emblem.

The Sith’s primary goal is indeed power, but I argue that if even if the dark side were to cease being useful, which I’d argue to presume such is heresy in their circles, they’d still keep the Sith Code because its emphasis is on Passion and gaining strength. Even if the dark side ceased being of use to the Sith, the code exemplifies their quest for greater power.

The Sith Code does apply to non-Sith even if they do not know it because it is simply a chart (blueprint) of how the dark side of the Force works, “Peace is a lie, there is Passion, through Passion I gain strength,” these tenets were not an invented creed but a description of how tapping into Bogan works, non-Sith groups do this creed even unknowingly because it is the path of practicing the dark side. The reason the Sith Code unites all darksiders is not because its a mere philosophy, its facts about the spiritually that happens, step by step, when a Force Users taps into the dark side of the Force.

 

Well, this is quite fun.

@Kato Sai

Indeed I think we agree when talking about the 'Force being one', I would agree dividing the Force into Light and Dark would be inaccurate, but more because I seem as methods for understanding the Force, rather than the Force itself.

Yes, I agree that the Sith code would remain intact, and again it was hypothetical to illustrate that the Force is a tool to the Sith, nothing more.

Hmm, your last point I have to disagree with, while the Sith code is broad, not all would use it and apply it to themselves. The creed of Ruin as an example, which as a Sith I think is downright wrong in many ways but not the point here, is an alternate take on the dark side that conflicts with the Sith code.

 

Ah but the Sith Code is not used, as I said it a description of what a dark sider is doing as they tap into Bogan. Its not a creed imposed on oneself, but rather words describing the dark reality, like physics, you don’t say the code makes gravity so but people can decide to not agree gravity exists, no gravity exists no matter what and the code is simply putting in words the reality.

Ah but Darth Ruin began somewhere. Before his descent into madness and his cult of self, he was a Sith who learned the dark side, even if he did not preach the Sith Code, he lived it, he even took “there is passion,” to lengths regarding himself that became obsession.

 

Yeah... buuuuut.... is it a fundamental law of the universe? I don't liken the code to a law of physics, it is a set of rules that illustrate the beliefs of the Sith, not of the Dark Side. .It is an expression of the Dark side, a very, very common one but not the only one.

Going back to Ruin his code conflicts in many ways with the Sith Code, it outright contradicts it but is still distinct and unarguably part of the dark side, yes to Ruin used to follow the Sith code, but then he changed just as you have gone from Jedi, to Sith to Grey.

 

Its not a set of rules, beliefs yes, but those beliefs are the path to the dark side, without Passion, how does one tap into the dark side? The Sith Code is a living breathing thing, not just tenets to control Force Users. Albiet ots incomplete, it needs to be combined with the revelations of the Jedi Code, much as Darth Marr realized when he adopted the last line of the Jedi Code, “There is no death, there is the Force.”

Was that a subtle jab comparing me to Darth Ruin? “You are a bold one.” Ruin became a cult of personality, and fell in love with his own legend. He is the Narcissus of the Force, but I argue his self obession was the end of him being in harmony with the dark side, It was a madness, much like Darth Nihilus’ need to feed and consume worlds as a Wound in the Force.

I actually still follow the Sith Code and the Jedi Code (Odan-Urr’s version), because they arn’t just creeds to me, they are oracles and revelations, descriptions of truths and realties in the Force. As a Grey I combine my Jedi and Sith training into one with new Grey lessons.

 

No it wasn't a jab at you lol. Can't write up an in-depth response right now. I'll duel you with my words and my weapons! Lol

 

Discussions like these are what I live for and why I'm proud to be a Grey Jedi. Thanks to @Kato Sai and @Shadowsun I have now come to an all-important conclusion on the force and I will be explaining my thoughts and the different natures of the force. So for all intents and purposes, I believe that the Force is All-powerful, All-knowing but does not adhere to our concept of morality in fact I believe it to be in fact an idiot god just like the Lovecraftian being the title was crafted for; Azathoth.



Now you may be asking what is an idiot god? Well to understand the term of an idiot god we must get into the being that inhabits the namesake itself. The being called Azathoth is responsible for all of creation but it's impossible to perceive and much like the force it always changes, one second being this but another second it changes again. Azathoth is everywhere yet nowhere at the same time, active yet at the same time passive, this is directly in line with the quote of Kenobi within ANH, “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”



As we grey know, this quote is true in a literal sense. The force breathed life into the galaxy and is connected to all beings despite only a few hundred thousand being truly sensitive to it in a galaxy full of 100 Quadrillion beings just like how only a select few within the Lovecraftian mythos can perceive the machinations of the eldritch gods. Another similarity between the force and Azathoth is the fact that both beings can literally alter all of reality within their image but almost rarely do so. Though admittedly in Azathoth’s case it’s because it literally cannot comprehend its own power, as it is a sleeping god and once it wakes, all of reality is essentially over. However, with the force, it seems to be largely indifferent as I would say. Not that it doesn’t care but much like the Abrahamic god YHWH it allows us to make our own choices. I make this assertion because it is CLEAR that the force is more than capable of responding to one’s actions. A prime example of this is the Skywalker clan. Within the Darth Plaugeis novel by James Luceno, Plaugeis tries to achieve the secret of immortality but before he could test this upon himself he needed a subject to experiment upon. This subject became Plaugeis’ rival Venamis.



Plaugeis would kill Venamis in a duel and keep his body for experimentation. Through this constant testing, Plauguies would finally be to discover the secrets of the midi-chlorians but he was cut down by his apprentice Sidious before he could achieve anything and his work would effectively be further improved upon too, bringing back a technique that has not been seen in the galaxy for thousands of years ever since Valkoryian made use of it. However, this came at a cost and Plaugies theorized upon it but I believe it to be true. Anakin is literally the Force’s response to Plaugies, we all know that Anakin is literally the child of the force and we all know how powerful he could’ve which we later see in his son Luke. Not to mention that the novel literally takes place way before and during episode 1 so Plaugies had enough time for his actions to correlate to the birth of Anakin. To which the Sith lord even concurs on.



Now let’s get onto the nature of the force, I will discuss all aspects of the following aspects;

• Ashla
• Bogan
• The unifying force
• The cosmic force
• The physical force
• The living Force

Next, I will determine the definition and criteria of the following terms.

• Grey Jedi
• Dark Jedi
• Lightsider
• Darksider

Ashla

Now let me get something off my chest, just because Ashla is codified as “the light,” IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT REPRESENTS GOOD. It means to give yourself over and let its currents guide you. To want to be in control of the force is to literally fly in the face of Ashla. This is why beings such as Mace Windu and Anakin were never able to surpass Yoda. Windu and Anakin aren’t pure light siders but they were pretending to be as to what they are I’ll classify further on in this text but to be powered solely in the arts of Ashla is a contradiction within itself. This is because a pure Ashla practitioner would not want to crave power but to strengthen their connection to the living force and to be strong in the force, one must not lie to themselves. Sure Anakin and Mace Windu were powerful but they weren’t honest with themselves. In my belief Ashla is just a destructive as its counterparts, I believe for the following three reasons.

• Qui-gon during the entirety of phantom menace. Qui-gon is a maverick within the Jedi but he is not a GREY JEDI HE IS A LIGHTSIDER. This is because he lives for the force, he is completely sub-subservient to it and the force used him as a vessel to introduce Anakin Skywalker within the order only for Anakin to slaughter almost every single Jedi, including the younglings. If Qui-Gon was a grey he would not be so submissive to it. Instead, he would have some agency over his existence. Instead, he followed the force blindly and It led directly to his death at the hands of Maul and to be honest that match was a very winnable one but he allowed the force to guide him directly into the jaws of death and if he hadn’t died he could’ve saved Anakin from the darkness. That is why the duel on Naboo was called the duel of fates, with Qui-Gon’s death the galaxy essentially entered a dark timeline. The only reason why he was so unconventional is because of how attuned he was to the living force.
• Lucien Draay and the Jedi Covenant- Lucien and the Jedi covenant used the light side ability of farsight to justify murdering children. I already told this story on this board so here’s the link https://boards.theforce.net/threads...een-and-unsung.50033145/page-39#post-57133736
• But these guys are the furthest thing from the dark side, throughout the comic, they appear in they never make use of a single dark-side power.
• The prequel Jedi- The very nature of Ashla makes you aware of the fact that you are a tool of the force and to be a tool one must correctly interpret what they are doing. However, it was made evident that throughout the clone wars the Jedi were scrambling around, unaware of what their true purpose was, and assumed that they had to protect the entire galaxy. However to attempt to protect and please everyone you tear yourself thin. This is exactly the trap that the prequel Jedi fell into. I also believe Qui-gon fell into this trap as well, at the critical moment before he faced Maul and he meditated, I believe that Qui-gon indeed misinterprets his role in the universe and placed all his eggs in the basket that is Ashla.

Bogan

Bogan is the “dark-Side” but it’s actually the power of passion, of existing. I believe that when the Force created the Universe Ashla came first but Bogan came after the existence of sentient thinking beings. As the beings of the universe developed complex thoughts they naturally became attuned to Bogan. However if left unchecked Bogan will lead to megalomania and hedonism, though this will only be the case if taken to the absolute extreme. However, this is where the Sith would differ from tribes like the Jarvashqiine. The Sith master Bogan while the Jarvashqiine commits hedonistic acts to worship Bogan, gaining power in exchange. The Sith do no adhere to this barbaric worship as they have not only mastered themselves but also the Force and can draw upon it on a whim however they do display megalomania. I made a previous assessment that to be entranced in Bogan is to crave power and display a wanton disregard for others. While this is true in some cases like the Nightsisters this is not true for every darksider, and it was wrong of me to assume so. More on this when I talk about Mace Windu. However my closing thoughts on Bogan are this, it is not inherently evil and it has practical purposes, such as when Plo Koon used electric judgment on a criminal to incapacitate them quickly.



The unifying force

This is the belief that the force is one thing, one pool of energy and that there are no such things as Ashla or Bogan, and that there is simply the force. I kind of believe this to a certain extent. I believe that the force is one however I believe that Ashla and Bogan are two different aspects that happen to overlap from time to time. Such as Force Grip just being a modified and deadly version of telekinesis not to mention that the powers of Dark Rage and Battle Meld are essentially the same power with only one key difference between them, which is the fact that Battle-meld also affects your opponent's morale.



However, there is proof that the unifying force isn’t just a concept. As mentioned earlier, the Force breathes life into the universe and is held together by the Force, an example of this being the Midi-chlorians. In the book of the Sith within the entry called the book of life, Plaguies recounted how the Force affects all of existence and explains how. The one topic of relevance in this section is called the “The aperion.” I will now quote an excerpt from that text, “The aperion includes and unites all matter, giving it shape and cohesion. Aspects of the aperion include gravity, and electromagnetism-though the term encompasses everything in both space and time. Many of the abilities understood belonging to the universe Unifying force (farsight) are tied to the aperion.”



The cosmic force

This aspect of the Force encompasses space and time itself. This is where you put the Jensaarai’s hyperbolic time chamber and the veil of the force. These structures born of the force surpass all logical explanations and exist on a Force nexus. This phenomenon is also how force-sensitives can transcend the mortal plane in death.



The physical force

This is by far the easiest to explain. This facet of the force is what allows force-adepts to manipulate their surroundings and use alter abilities



The living force

Is the connection to all life, or the anima as what Darth Plagueis would call it. The living force gives life and sustains it but it does not give conscious thought. The living force is what Force-sensitives use for abilities like Animal Bond. I also believe that force dyads would fall into this category too.





Now finally onto the distinctions between Mace Windu Anakin Skywalker, and Qui-gon Jinn we’ll analyze each group and a judgment, first up…….



Grey Jedi

There are effectively two definitions of a Grey Jedi.

1. Those who walk along the lines of Ashla and Bogan balancing between the two different aspects of the force and understanding that the force is a spectrum not opposing opposites. They prefer not Ashla or Bogan but the Bendu.



2. The term the Jedi used to distance themselves from problematic Jedi



Dark Jedi

Formally trained Jedi or fully trained Jedi that have fallen from the light or shun the teachings of the Jedi, preferring dark side methods because they get the job done faster. These types needless to say don’t last within the Jedi Order.



Lightsider

Lightsiders are those attuned heavily to Ashla, these beings don’t use the force for conflict but to communicate with the gamut of the force. It is also not ignorant to assume these beings would be advocates for the living force and will allow it to guide their actions. They don’t live for themselves but the force. This is why light siders can extremely unemotional or absolutely calm.



Darksider

Darksiders prefer Bogan over Ashla and are passionate beings that are not hesitant to use force when necessary. They are not inherently evil however if Bogan is used excessively as in more than necessary then they could display one of the following signs, Megalomania, obsession with power, hedonism, wanton disregard for others, and finally dark side degradation of the body in extreme circumstances. Aside from that Darksiders who do not fall into this extreme can make themselves a conductor in a storm, able to let the dark side through them but leave untouched without corrupting their spirits.



Now finally where would I put Anakin, Qui-gon, and Mace Windu?



Anakin is obviously a dark-Jedi, he was never okay with the Jedi teachings and philosophy. He only went along with it because that was all he knew and it was clear that he was being a passion that allows Bogan to pass through him. Instead, he was akin to a drug addict, he was addicted to it but could not let it pass through him.



Qui-Gon is called a Grey Jedi by the council but it’s only so they could distance their teachings from him. He was an unconventional master of the light but if there’s one thing the pre-NJO Jedi disliked it was unconventional teachings. So make no mistake, Qui-Gon is a light side.



Mace Windu was a Darksider pretending to be a light side. I mean come on, Mace Windu’s homeworld of Harun Kal was essentially a Darkside nexus and he was taught the ways of his people before he joined the order. These ideals and preferences for aggression and Bogan never left him but because of the calm tranquility, he showed daily. This was on par because of his love for the republic, he loved democracy and different it was from his homeworld. Windu knew who he was he just found ways to adjust them into the Jedi order instead of embracing them.


(Note that I am not saying that the force is Azathoth, or that it’s literally an idiot. Nor does this have anything to do with shadowsun’s OC. But I am saying that the force shares characteristics of that being.)


Sources:
The Jedi Path
Star wars the essential guide to the force
Book of Sith
Darth Plaugies by James Luceno
Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover
Revenge of the Sith by Matthew Stover
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Jedi/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_galaxy/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Light_side_of_the_Force/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Force/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_Force/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Living_Force/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unifying_Force
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmic_Force
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmic_Force/Legends
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Physical_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azathoth