@Carib Diss Sidious: "I am all the Sith" suddendly makes more sense... if he literally rules from the one place that has all their spirits bound to it awaiting new bodies. His wraiths as the 9 Lords over all the lesser Sith ghosts, every "Reborn" (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Reborn) being a willing servant body not just empowered by the Force artificially, but bonded to one of the ghosts! The ritual to resurrect Marka Ragnos by the Cult of Ragnos wasn't just to get Ragnos back. They revived dead Sith one after the other. Every cult member getting one. Palpatine pulling the strings from behind the scenes once more on a mission to bring them back, ALL of them at once. For he is their Sith'ari, the Sith that died and came back, to bring them all back as well. He is the ONE SITH, and they are his One Sith. It all falls into place now! Would that mean though that Rei'izu is just another name for Ixigol, aka later Exegol? Ixigol I'zigol I'zu gol Rei'izu gol (aka Rei meaning place of rule, kingship, capital, Izu Gol) Rex Izugol Exzugol Exegol !!!
I'd also bet there's a self-fulfilling prophecy aspect to some degree: since a nervous wreck obviously isn't going to be well-suited to becoming a Jedi, which means that of course someone who works themselves into a panic over being an apprentice by a certain age might be considered 'too young'. "You were trying too hard" is a pretty common trope in Star Wars, including JA iirc.
I did start this, but I will pick it up. Probably have to restart it but eh. I’ve organised my book case to include novels, comics, games, etc and it seems to run seamlessly from DotJ to Legacy at present.
...I can't recall if I posted it earlier, but it might be a useful tidbit for OneCanon purposes, having Thrawn already well known as heading one of the "roving armadas" for several years by that point. Either that, or it could cause a serious continuity snarl. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the DisnEU to speculate. I can agree with any bit that has Thrawn unofficially promoted to Grand Admiral many years before his official promotion. That seemed to have been the case with the EU. We even see him in the TIE Fighter cutscenes wearing a Grand Admiral uniform while he was still a Vice Admiral.
The roving fleets are undoubtedly the numbered ones the Grand Admirals end up commanding. Thrawn having the 7th for example.
My apologies for taking so long to get back to this, and even this won't be a complete answer. In Legends, Boba Fett barely shows up between 4 ABY (ROTJ, Bounty Hunter Wars Trilogy, Old Marvel SW # 81 "Jawas of Doom") and 10 ABY (Dark Empire), more or less leaving plenty of time for him to join the Tuskens and become daimyo. In NuCanon, all Boba's post-sarlacc dates are "estimated" and "circa" 4-5 ABY, nothing firm until he shows up in The Mandalorian saving Fennec Shand and looking for his armor in 9 ABY (see SW Timelines, p. 230-231). From this 30,000-foot view, all we have to do for Legends to fit is to make Fett's 5 ABY appearance in Dark Forces 2 not really him, but his impersonator Jodo Kast (or Spar; Mirta Gev wasn't born yet), and then we bump Fett's duel with Kast (Twin Engines of Destruction), variously dated to 5 (Omnibus) or 6 (Comic's Companion) ABY, back to 10 ABY, around the time of his re-emergence in bounty hunting during Dark Empire and the four Cam Kennedy one-shots. The real question is, how many times did Fett escape from the sarlacc? It was already a mess in Legends - at least twice, but possibly four times in OneCanon. He seems to keep falling in the sarlacc almost no matter how you slice it. https://boards.theforce.net/threads...s-from-the-sarlacc-once-and-for-all.24890655/ Straining to make all those details fit still eludes me at present. Will try to post some thoughts on that more quickly than last time.
The problem is less Boba's own timeline and more where it ties into that of others from Mandoverse or Legends post ROTJ characters. If Mandoverse is after DE as OneCanon has canons after ROTJ reinterpreted as after DE3, then BoBF aside the flashback parts also needs to be somewhere there. But AFTER DE or even during DE we have some Fett comics from Legends even if he is scarce in novels, and more Fett cameos in games after DE possibly (Katarn games? any others?). We can be glad Luke setting up Academy grounds on Ossus fits well with DE and Yavin Praxeum only comes later while Legends ignores Ossus till NJO. What would be totally bonkers ironic and fun, but probably is not gonna ever happen, is what if Thrawn's return in canon actually is during DE, with his Zahn trilogy self retconned into a mere clone the Clone Emperor sent forth thx to Mount Tantiss to do his bidding. Filoni could have the "real" Thrawn oppose Palpatine even and the GFFA is none the wiser that he returned or what happened to him outside of few folks like Ezra, Hera and the like with other NR big players busy with other stuff and Imperials reuniting before the sacking of Coruscant.
In theory-oh, after he loses Slave II, Fett could pick up Slave I and heads to Tatooine to go and collect his father’s armour. He tried to reinvent himself, failed, and it brings back all the memories he had surviving on Tatooine. Seems simplest. But yes we have the option of his daughter being the ersatz Boba Fett if you’d rather he stay on Tatooine, but that seems unlikely what with him and Dengar working together in Dark Empire. However many times he escapes the Sarlacc, he escapes, spends time with the Tuskens, ends up saved by Dengar then saves Fennec when he returns to Tatooine. Between perhaps he has lost Slave I thus having to steal it back. The Mandalorian/Book of Boba Fett/Ahsoka will likely end up coinciding with the stretch of Legends from 14 to 17 ABY, with Thrawn’s offensive being the same one Daala-Pellaeon launched and lost. Thus Pellaeon’s certainty that Thrawn had died by VotF.
Does OneCanon really bump all the Disney NEU's post-ROTJ stuff to after Dark Empire/Empire's End, or just move the Aftermath Trilogy's main plot/Battle of Jakku/Ben Solo's birth to that point? The Battle of Jakku, as far as I can remember, has not been mentioned in the Mandoverse (at least so far), and certainly all the Cobb Vanth interludes in the Aftermath Trilogy predate Jakku. It seems simpler to make the Mandoverse pre-DarkEmpire/Battle of Jakku - otherwise, Moff Gideon should not be so incredulous about Thrawn's return (as he had already done so once before, relatively recently), and similarly, Senator Xiono should not claim that Thrawn had not been seen since Lothal. One problem is Luke's temple on Ossus, but that's a smaller difficulty. When considering Fett, the timeline might look like this: Spoiler: Fett OneCanon 4 ABY - ROTJ - Tales from Jabba's Palace: "A Barve Like That" (Fett in the sarlacc, and his first escape) - Tales of the Bounty Hunters: "Payback: The Tale of Dengar, Four: The Teeth of Tatooine" - Dark Empire Sourcebook: "The Ordeal of Boba Fett" - The Bounty Hunter Wars 1: The Mandalorian Armor (Dengar and Manaroo find Fett near sarlacc pit, during ROTJ) - The Bounty Hunter Wars 2: Slave Ship - The Bounty Hunter Wars 3: Hard Merchandise [In a suit of beskar Mandalorian armor from Jango Fett, different from the duraplast or durasteel one he was wearing and lost the first time, Boba Fett goes to kill the sarlacc, falls in again] - (Old Marvel) Star Wars 81: Jawas of Doom (Fett's second escape from the sarlacc when it belches him out [finding him indigestible in beskar], but he suffers amnesia, runs into Han, and falls back in along with a sandcrawler, day(s) after the Battle of Endor) - Book of Boba Fett flashbacks (Fett's third and final escape from the sarlacc, Jawas steal his armor, which winds up with Cobb Vanth, while Fett joins the Tuskens) - Shattered Empire (Palpatine's Contingency/Operation Cinder starts 17 days after the Battle of Endor) 5 ABY - Dark Forces 2: Rebel Agent (Fett impersonator, either his rival Jodo Kast or his daughter Ailyn Vel, declines to accept a job hunting down Kyle Katarn) [With Tuskens' permission/encouragement as part of a pilgrimage/rumspringa, Fett briefly leaves Tatooine, aquires Slave II] - Dark Empire Sourcebook: "Back in Business" (Fett, working with Crystalboy, lays groundwork for the scheme that eventually recovers Slave I from the Rebel Alliance impound on Grakouine) [delivering it to Jabba's Palace, but Bib Fortuna can't open it and get inside] - Tales from Jabba's Palace: "A Barve Like That, Epilogue" (Returning to Tatooine in Slave II, Fett makes peace with sarlacc) [and rejoins Tuskens, pilgrimage/rumspringa completed] ..... 9 ABY - The Mandalorian, Season 1 (After the death of his Tusken tribe, Fett saves Fennec Shand; they recover the Slave I from Jabba's palace and kill the sarlacc, but are unable to find armor [only junk from the sandcrawler?]) - The Mandalorian, Season 2 (Mando recovers armor from Cobb Vanth, Fett recovers it from Mando, Mayfeld regrets Operation Cinder, Ahsoka searches for Thrawn) - The Book of Boba Fett (Fett becomes daimyo, Luke begins building temple on Ossus) - The Mandalorian, Season 3 (Imperial Shadow Council evinces skepticism of Thrawn's impending return) - Ahsoka (Thrawn returns) [Thrawn secretly captures the clone of himself whom Palpatine had made to chart the Unknown Regions but who instead established the Empire of the Hand, putting him in stasis on Niruauan with a ten-year timer.] - The Thrawn Trilogy: Heir to the Empire - The Thrawn Trilogy: Dark Force Rising - The Thrawn Trilogy: The Last Command (Thrawn dies) / The Mandalorian, Season 4, and Filoni movies 10 ABY - Dark Empire (Fett resumes bounty hunting, Han encounters him for first time since Jawas of Doom, Fett tells Han that the sarlacc found him indigestible) - Dark Empire II (encouraged by the holocron of Ood Bnar, Luke and Kam Solusar explore Ossus and discover that its remote regions are still inhabited, by the Ysanna, and contain Jedi ruins and artifacts; Fett pursues Han and Leia) - Tales from the New Republic: "No Disintegrations, Please" - Boba Fett: Twin Engines of Destruction (Fett vs. Jodo Kast) - Boba Fett: Bounty on Bar-Kooda - Boba Fett: When the Fat Lady Swings - Boba Fett: Murder Most Fowl - Boba Fett: Agent of Doom 11 ABY - Empire's End - Crimson Empire Trilogy - Alphabet Squadron Trilogy - Aftermath Trilogy (Gallius Rax restarts Contingency/Operation Cinder; Battle of Jakku, birth of Ben Solo)
@QuinlanSolo. I’ve been thinking about that, as you suggested it. Operation Cinder being immediately post-Endor ostensibly ties in Alphabet Squadron which also ties in Aftermath I… Coruscant rebellion happens in both… Corellia and Chandrila are rebel in the first months in Canon… they are still Imperial for years in Legends… Aftermath II covers the liberation of Kuat and Kashyyyk three months after Aftermath I… Kuat is Imperial for years after Legends, Kashyyyk is taken six months after Endor in Legends but that’s relatively fine… Aftermath II does however discuss 3/4 of the Imperial Navy having been destroyed in months, which is somewhat unlikely (or not, if you’re minimalist)… … Aftermath III, Alphabet Squadron III and so forth tie into the Battle of Jakku. The Grand Vizier being Amedda-Vizier-Amedda is a thing, I suppose. The Battle of Jakku ending the war in 11 ABY either way works. Rax keeping Amedda hostage on Coruscant is complicated, I suppose. But it comes down to your view of when to cut the line. I do put the Princess & Scoundrel after Endor for example. However I would say that the successes the Rebels have in the days after Endor in Canon are difficult to swallow with a Rebellion with only a couple dozen Mon Cal cruisers after Endor. In Legends it’s managed by a very detailed Imperial Civil War and the Rebels take years to win. It’s more… realistic, I find, to say the New Republic grew and had back and forth a rather than the Empire collapsed after a single year. It taking a year to collapse after Byss/Onderon as its already been losing the war since Endor - seven years of losses. So your mileage varies but yeah. I assume Palpatine from Byss recalls Rax either way, as he doesn’t require the Contingency at that stage.
I will say, I do like the idea of keeping The Mandalorian in 9 ABY not just because of Thrawn's return and Boba Fett's sarlacc shenanigans, but also because the mentions of Project Necromancer present a nice setup for Dark Empire which Legends never really had outside of reference books, if even then.
Would be funny if two Thrawns return at the same time with different stories. Legends and Canon returns not merged but happening paralell in One Canon. Regardless who is a clone, obviously then, Pellaeons double role gets more interesting as he interacts with both then like a liason. The NR confused about Thrawn sightings and two agendas that they falsely believe to be one may be also handy for retcons. Question is if one of both Thrawns then is a DarkEmpire proxy while the other counters it working against an Emperor rebirth. Or if both belong to the same Mastermind aka Thrawn using a clone of himself (like long suggested for Legends only anyway already). I mean, whoever cloned Rukh may clone Thrawn and the Joruus pretends to be his subordinate while actually babysitting the clone he activated? Joruus as a Snoke-ish remote controlled Palpatine Avatar is a fun thought. Especially with Thrawn Yslamiring him often. @Thrawn McEwok may have more details and better Insight in how to pull of two Thrawns at once. Right? Gesendet von meinem FP3 mit Tapatalk
Moff Gideon was the ISB/COMPNOR loyalty officer aboard the Arc Hammer. He escaped and was so inspired by Mohc's DT program that he created his own after Endor.
Intriguing. I don't hate this as a slight reshuffle, Mandoverse before Jakku, a clearer Boba timeline that allows him to be in the different places he's supposed to be. @Sinrebirth, I'm assuming putting The Princess and The Scoundrel post-Endor actually means immediately post Truce at Bakura? (I haven't read TPatS yet as the book order I have puts it after Onderon and I'm trying to read in order )
I think it's neater and stronger to keep all post-Endor canon entries post-Onderon, honestly, because the Empire's collapse, and the Grand Vizier back and forth etc is less neat. The Mandoverse is a big question mark at this point. I don't really see Mando season 4/Ahsoka season 2/the film all being squashed into 9 ABY too.
Don't forget Skeleton Crew which seems to tie into Mandoverse. Maybe the kids get to Peridea and bring Ahsoka back. Running paralell to other shows. If so, their time schedule may inform about other shows and distort the image again like BoBF did with Tatooine times. Gesendet von meinem FP3 mit Tapatalk
Thank you, Quinlan Solo, for taking the time to lay out that timeline. It's starting to come together for me now, I really appreciate your input on Boba's whereabouts. I also generally prefer the Mandoverse placement in 9 ABY, though the big downside is having to squish so many events into one year (but I guess that has happened before in One Canon, some years during TCW come to mind). The 16-19 ABY placement of Mando 1-3, BoBF, and Ahsoka feels a lot more natural in terms of the development of their own storylines, but it doesn't work too well with other in-universe Legends events, like Boba's whereabouts. At the end of the day, part of the challenge is the Mandoverse itself doesn't even have a defined timeline according to Canon. It currently all happens in Canon 9 ABY, though the showrunners have stated that they envisioned it to follow the actual real-life time of production, ie ~3.5 years from Mando S1 --> Mando S3/Ahsoka. So it has an internal inconsistency to begin with which makes it challenging to place properly. Any way to have it run from ~6 ABY - ~9 ABY that way the natural pacing is still preserved? Then the mentions of Thrawn/Shadow Council still happen around the same time but the earlier self-contained stories have some room to breathe, and we save more of 9 ABY for Ahsoka S2/Filoni's upcoming films.
@Sinrebirth I agree that the Galactic Civil War would more realistically stretch several years post-Endor than just one year, but I think we might be able to detach Operation Cinder (Shattered Empire, post-Endor) from the subsequent stages of the Contingency (Alphabet and Aftermath trilogies, post-Onderon/pre-Jakku) and still keep a 7-year war. After Palpatine's death at Endor, his sentinels are dispatched to set Operation Cinder in motion, but after his essence makes the few-months journey across the void into a new clone body on Byss, Palpatine halts the Contingency, it only picking up again after his death on Onderon, at the instigation of Rax (leaving aside the bizarreness of Rax's doubts post-Dark Empire that Palpatine could ever return). Otherwise, if Operation Cinder is post-Onderon, then so is all the Mandoverse, meaning Thrawn returns twice. As you noted, the question is when to cut the line. If Princess and the Scoundrel is post-Endor, then so is Shattered Empire #1 (which is referenced in it and ends with Han discovering battle plans for Operation Cinder, per SW Timelines). It's been too long since I read Alphabet Squadron, and I never finished the trilogy, but maybe we place chapter 1 (Operation Cinder - Nacronis) post-Endor, and then the rest of the book post-Onderon?: https://boards.theforce.net/threads...depth-story-breakdown.50060011/#post-58758841 That would mean Yrica Quell had been a prisoner of the Rebellion/NR for years rather than months (amnesia? frozen in carbonite?) before being recruited, and could mess with Hera and Jacen Syndulla's portrayal in the trilogy, but seems to fit better with the portrayal of Soran Keize in the first book (who seems to have been going by the name Devon Lhent for longer than just several weeks). Battlefront II would need to be split too: the missions that tie into Shattered Empire (up to Naboo) going post-Endor, and the rest (tying into the Aftermath trilogy) going post-Onderon. As for the rest, I imagine that however we arrange the timeline, Corellia and Chandrila could go back and forth between Imperial and New Republic control, just like Kuat and Kashyyyk did in Legends. Similarly, Sate Pestage and Mas Amedda both being Grand Vizier even pre-Endor is probably weird no matter how you slice it. Either way, the war does end in 11 ABY at Jakku. My main goal is just to avoid having Thrawn return twice - having his return in the Mandoverse be completely different from his return leading into the original Thrawn trilogy. Boba Fett falling into the sarlacc three (!) times is already embarrassing enough. Thanks! Glad it's proved useful/interesting. Maybe I'm weird, but I've never gotten the a-whole-year-passes-each-season vibe from the Mandoverse shows. I know Filoni and Favreau said something to that effect, but I'm glad they walked it back. So far, I'd say Mando S1 through the end of Ahsoka doesn't need more than four months, leaving most of 9 ABY free for Filoni's remake/re-imagining of the Thrawn trilogy. Only so much time is likely to have passed between Fett saving Shand in Mando S1 and reclaiming his armor in S2, and Grogu is unlikely to have been training with Luke any longer than Luke was with Yoda in TESB (say a month at the outside). Nevarro gets built up and Greef Carga changes his clothes, but that's the only indication I noticed that much time had passed, and even that can happen pretty quickly. Again, most people seem to see this differently, so maybe I'm just missing something. I don't have any objection to stretching the Mandoverse back into 6 ABY; I'm just not sure of the need to.
The inevitable issue with consolidating Thrawn’s is that the Canon Thrawn isn’t going to miraculously vanish and thus die in the Last Command. Fundamentally Thrawn himself was playing clone trickery even in Legends, and we had the Formbi-Thrawn implication. I think it’s unavoidable that Thrawn returns more than once, much as it’s unavoidable Palpatine returns more than once. If anything the two end up looking like they’re playing clone dejarik for the Empire and the Rebels and Jedi just get in the war, which I don’t mind.
There is the implication that Formbi had a Thrawn clone in his back pocket, but to paraphrase Occam, I'd rather not multiply clones beyond necessity. I could be wrong, but I'd say ten-to-one Filoni will have Canon Thrawn die at Bilbringi in 9 ABY. It won't go down exactly as it did in The Last Command, but "from a certain point of view"/Steve Sansweet's foggy window should take care of that. It will be like trying to retcon accounts of the Clone Wars written before the prequels with what we actually got - harder than fitting TCW in with the multimedia project, but not impossible. Probably no C'Baoth or ysalamiri, but we've already got Tantiss, and if Ventress can come back, why not Rukh? One Canon Thrawn might have to help C'Baoth try to get his hands on Jacen and Jaina Solo on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, while helping the Nightsisters attempt to kidnap Jacen Syndulla on Tuesdays and Thursdays - it sort of rhymes. Granted, my predictions are almost always wrong, so I'm not sure why I'm so confident about this. Time will tell, and whatever happens will be quite a ride.
Cue post Episode IX Rey Movie: Somehow Grand Admiral Thrawn returned... Somehow I got a feeling we will need Paul S. Kemp to resolve this one.. and his clone/imposter series. Jaden Korr is perfect material for Disney even without LotF tie ins. Would be Fun to use it and tie it into Visions too like Am and Karre. Gesendet von meinem FP3 mit Tapatalk
