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That's fair. IDK where she is mentally in BFC, TNR, or TCT, though I'm hoping Planet of Twilight isn't just a case of it was written after so it's character development is building off what was already written despite coming before... I can work with her mental state in TCS coming from the kidnapping, it's pretty clear she's really distraught about it. She's so freaked out she retreats into a fake identity, so I can see her "I should have trained with Luke" attitude stemming partly from that. She just had made so much progress in Planet of Twilight, that TCS threw me. And it seems likely that despite coming to terms with her family's potential Vaderness, and the choice in involved to be that or not, she wouldn't regularly carry her lightsaber around, though it also seemed that after her PoT ordeal she wasn't gonna let it go anytime soon.

Leia also has noghri guards around her in Crystal Star, despite in Planet it being established that she wasn't going to have them in public anymore because they were seen as her using the tools of Vader to rule. That was another thing that made me want to have PoT later.

What stuff in CE3 needs to happen after Planet and Adumar?

Oh well...

 

I missed that's where he was...

 

There's a ReExpanded fanfic novel based in that period that acts as a sort of prequel to Hand of Thrawn, Broken Alliance, that I was planning on reading and I do have the EGW.

 

What I've read of the EGW is amazing.

Not yet, I'm planning on getting the Atlas after I get the new Complete Locations book for Eid.

 

Depends on what happened between Planet of Twilight and The Crystal Star. It might've been a heavy year and all three are very very VERY tired and worn-out.

 

Crimson Empire happened just before Crystal Star, so Han was out Generaling, Leia had to deal with an attack on the Palace that almost hurt Anakin, and Luke had just come to terms with Callista's loss. Only to end up in a situation where his own connection to the Force was threatened, no doubt reminding him of Callista.

Plus, The Crystal Star makes very vague allusion to the possibility that he's still dealing with the spiritual fallout from Dark Empire.

 

I'm not sure when the Desann thing was, be it before or after The Crystal Star (I can't recall yet), but if it was before these events, perhaps the fallout is why Han, Leia and Luke are the way they are during the novel.

 

Desann was slain slightly before The Crystal Star.

 

I believe the order is:

I Jedi; Children of the Jedi; Darksaber; Nightsaber RPG; The Orinda Campaign; Planet of Twilight; Starfighters of Adumar; Crimson Empire 3; and then Crystal Star.
Fitting in Jedi Outcast and Academy is the trickier bits. Academy is likely after Crystal Star - but not for sure. The Empire Reborn is present in both those stories too, with Outcast probably between Darksaber and Planet of Twilight. Although it may be before Darksaber.

And Desann left many months prior, perhaps soon after Children...?

As for the Atlas - yeah, it is a pretty much essential read: for the summary of Republic history alone.
Skips lightly over the TOR era, due to release date though.

 

Why doesn't the Orinda Campaign have any novels or short stories connected to it. Jeez...

 

Hi once again, everyone.

I know everyone here is speaking on a specific topic and I don't wanna be rude with changing said topic, but I thought about something that I wanted to share with you all and everyone on here.

I know some might say to post this on a headcanon page, and I might do so...also: if this violates any rules then I wholeheartedly apologize.

Now my topic might get a little crazy, but I want you to stick with me, and it's:

I really wish Post-Crucible and Pre-Legacy had given us fans of the EU more stories centered on and around the Yuuzhan Vong and even showed the return of Abeloth with her even attempting to trick the Vong into becoming her army and have them worship her as their Goddess upon said return.

I believe that'd be really cool....and it could even be a tie-in expansion that reveals that maybe The Ones of Mortis (The Celestials/Force Gods) and Abeloth could've been the Gods that the Yuuzhan Vong worshiped in their True Way religion.

I can see it that The Son of Mortis would be worshiped as Yun-Yammka, the God of War, and that his sister, The Daughter of Mortis, would be worshiped as Yun-Harla, the Goddess of Deception.

It also makes sense that The Son and The Daughter would be worshiped as Gods by another culture in the Expanded Universe other than the Killiks and Nightsisters of Gethzerion's, Zalem's, and Talzin's coven clans....whom all three variations worshiped The Son of Mortis and The Daughter of Mortis as the Fanged God and the Winged Goddess respectively.

It'd be a nice tie-in to the Yuuzhan Vong believing that Jacen was Yun-Yammka (even though Jacen was also stated by Onimi to possess the glow of Yun-Shuno within the former) (like The Son, or the Vong actually believed Jacen was The Son himself) and that Jaina was Yun-Harla (like The Daughter, or, again, the Vong actually believed Jaina was The Daughter herself).

I get that Yun-Yammka and Yun-Harla are known as the Twin Gods which is what Jacen and Jaina are: twins....but I believe that, before their transformation from drinking from the Font of Power and bathing in the Pool of Knowledge respectively, The Son and The Daughter were twins, and that connects them even further to Jacen and Jaina as well as to Yun-Yammka and Yun-Harla themselves.

I also believe that the Yuuzhan Vong would, thanks to the release of Supernatural Encounters, believe that The Supreme Maker was Yun-Yuuzhan himself: i.e. The Omnipotent Creator of everything.

I also think, based off of some other theories I have, that the Vong, if they'd met him, would have worshiped and believed Anakin Skywalker to have been Yun-Yuuzhan himself, or even the son of Yun-Yuuzhan....as he was the son of the Force/The Supreme Maker.

It'd be a really cool way to connect Supernatural Encounters even further to the Legacy comic book series, and to expand even more upon the Vong and their culture as they were originally gonna be in those scrapped episodes of The Clone Wars.

It's also possible, since the Yuuzhan Vong had met him and his Family, and thought they were their Gods, that the Vong worshiped The Father of Mortis as Yun-Yuuzhan as he stands above both of his Children and at the center of their 'Trinity' like how the Vong have a Trinity at the top of their pantheon in their True Way religion: i.e. Yun-Yuuzhan, Yun-Yammka, and Yun-Harla (with the latter two being the Twin Gods, and Yun-Yammka and Yun-Harla being the Fanged God and the Winged Goddess respectively....as Yun-Yammka and Yun-Harla being Gods, like The Son of Mortis and The Daughter of Mortis, could shapeshift themselves to have those forms....which, again, fits with what I'm saying: The Son=Yun-Yammka, and The Daughter=Yun-Harla respectively).

So I believe that the Yuuzhan Vong would believe that Anakin was Yun-Yuuzhan (like The Father, or they'd think that Anakin was The Father himself) and The Father....since he was meant to take The Father's place as the Balance of the Force and replace him as he (Anakin) was the only being more powerful than The Father....and I read a statement somewhere a few years ago (sorry, I can't remember where right now) from George Lucas about the Mortis Arc, and him stating himself that Anakin was more powerful than The Father and would surpass him....even if The Father was in his prime, or, thanks to Supernatural Encounters, was in his True Form as Elegast....since Anakin was the son of the Force/The Supreme Maker, and the Force/The Supreme Maker was above The Father of Mortis as Elegast.

So, the Vong would've viewed it like this:

Anakin Skywalker - Yun-Yuuzhan/The Father of Mortis

Jacen Solo - Yun-Yammka/The Son of Mortis (given that he had an inner darkness within him after his brother's death and the Yuuzhan Vong War, and when he gave in to the Dark Side of the Force and became a Dark Lord of the Sith: Darth Caedus)

Jaina Solo - Yun-Harla/The Daughter of Mortis (since she stood up to face Caedus and end his reign of terror across the Galaxy during the Second Galactic Civil War in Legacy of the Force like how The Daughter would always combat her Brother whenever he would try to disrupt the Balance of the Force in the Mortis pocket universe and across the entire Expanded Universe itself....Jaina was also empowered by the Ashla (the purest and truest state of the Light Side of the Force itself, or even the Light Side of the Force itself....as it was referred to by the Je'daii Order) and achieved a state of Oneness with the Force before her duel with Caedus in 'Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Invincible' when her brother wielded the power of the Bogan: the Dark Side of the Force....and she defeated him to fulfill her destiny of protecting the universe that was bestowed to her by Luke: The Sword of the Jedi).

I also believe that Luke could be put in Anakin's place (since he was, obviously, alive during that time while his father was deceased) as Yun-Yuuzhan and The Father of Mortis (even though Luke was stated by Onimi to be Yun-Yammka)....since he's (through Anakin) the grandson of the Force/The Supreme Maker, and would also fit in with being the grandson of Yun-Yuuzhan.

I also think that Luke would fit much better with being The Father while Jacen and Jaina can stay as The Son and The Daughter respectively.

So it's:

Luke Skywalker - Yun-Yuuzhan/The Father of Mortis (for all of the reasons that I said above)

Jacen Solo - Yun-Yammka/The Son of Mortis (for all of the reasons that I said above)

Jaina Solo - Yun-Harla/The Daughter of Mortis (for all of the reasons that I said above)

If you think about it, then it fits even more: if you look at the picture of Luke, Jacen, and Jaina standing against Shimrra and his Slayers, then you can see something very interesting.

When you look at it you'll see a perfect reflection of it: Luke is standing in the center, and he has Jaina and Jacen standing to his right and left respectively....exactly like how The Father of Mortis has his Daughter and Son standing to his right and left respectively....also just like you have an angel on your right shoulder, and The Devil on your left shoulder.

It all fits: Luke is standing in the center with Jaina (the angel) standing to his right (on his right shoulder) and Jacen (The Devil) standing to his left (on his left shoulder) respectively....just like The Father of Mortis is standing in the center with his Daughter (the angel) standing to his right (on his right shoulder) and his Son (The Devil) standing to his left (on his left shoulder) respectively.

I'll show you all two pictures for the former and the latter.

This first one is for Luke, Jaina, and Jacen:



This second one will be for The Father, The Daughter, and The Son:



Get where I got the idea for this theory from?

Let me know what you all think.

 

I like the twin stiff, really cool. Haven't read NJO yet, but i'm a huge fan of Mortis and the Son and Daughter (less so Father as I think he's a controlling jerk that doesn't represent Balance so much as patriarchy.)

My own headcanon is that after Anakin rejected his role as the replacement for Father, he and Maul were both being auditioned for the role of Son. With Vader winning of course.

Very intrigued by the potential Vong connection, and I'll day I'm certainly down to connect the Mortis gods and their own, especially in light of Ahsoka connecting the Ones to the Far Galaxy.

@Sinrebirth BFC makes sense, but there's a fair bit now between Darksaber and BFC and until checking in here I was kind of like "what has Pellaeon been doing since getting promoted?"

 

I recall HandofThrawn45 has adapted a good deal of it, in I believe, his story 'Attrition', centred mostly on Pellaeon.

Although Wedge does have a fairly substantial role - and Bel Iblis.

Other small issues - is Byss destroyed nearer to 10.6 ABY or 11.1, or somewhere in between...
And how far apart are CE1 and CE2...

 

That would help with some timeline juggles.
ThrawnMcEwok has attempted to chart the span of time between The Thrawn Trilogy and Darksaber too, and ended up with a fair few discrepancies. Plus Golbolco has Champions of the Force being potentially a year after Empire's End, going by one fleeting reference (to 'a' battle of Coruscant, anyway)
So pushing Dark Empire's resolution back a bit could be fairly useful.
Meantime, Jacen and Jaina are at least 2.5 years old heading into Champions.

Previously I had put CE1 and CE2 in the two to four months before Jedi Search, I believe, and potentially in early 11 ABY.

(Additional update: Meanwhile, there's much discussion on whether Luke left for Ahch-To or not in a fatalistic or suicidal state... per Delpheas' story outlinings.
As well as how much he told Leia or not, at the time)

 

I think that per TLJ, Luke left for Ahch-to ready to die.
I do think that he avoids giving Leia that impression, as per TFA she seems to think that if he can be found, that he'll come back. It's likely she just thought he needed time after what happened.

I wanna swing briefly to Jacen Syndula and Poe Dameron. Is there anything we can do about them both being born BBY, but definitely not aging 12-15 years by the time OneCanon gets to either Star Wars 2025 (where we'll likely see Poe) or Ahsoka (where we see Jacen).

There was some discussion of rebel patents choosing to put their kids in suspended animation after Endor, and at least with Poe, I think we might wanna consider it. Because I think we're probably gonna see the establishment of the Yavin IV colony and eventually his mother's death (down the road) Because if she dies in 10 ABY in d-canon, that pushes her death to 16 ABY for us. Plus Poe Dameron: Free Fall is based 14 years after Canon Endor (so theoretically 24 ABY)

It seems likely that we'll need to do something about him probably being like 5 in the new comic.

Again, one could probably right a very bittersweet story around the idea of parents freezing their kids. And why they would do it after Endor and not before.

Jacen Syndulla is part-Twilek, so maybe that effects his aging.

 

No way I'll let you put kids in a freezer!

We gotta come up with better explanations than that.

I mean how many characters do we need such a solution for? Seriously? Is it a mass phenomen or just a few?

If mass, we need an explanation that works, like the freezer but nicer. If just a few, a clever story twist may suffice, like a rare hyperspace mishap of a schoolbus trip to another planet or whatever... cue few years cut.

Or even more physically possible: Time dilation near a black hole... where kids are sheltered in a secret base during wartimes? Just cut a few years by either method or have the rest done due to bacta being QUITE rejuvenating in a young age and other means of healing goo preferable for kids but they had nothing else at hand in wartime?

Enough explanations that do not require to freeze kids and morally justify that.