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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Sinrebirth , Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    She was quite proud after all.
     
  2. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    Not gonna lie, picking up The Essential Guide to the Force and have it say Tionne is recording in 4O ABY, shortly after Mara's death, threw me until I remembered that OneCanon shifted dates around.

    So yes LotF: Betrayal says 37, but doesn't FotJ, Crucible, EgtF, and EGW all say 40 for LotF?

    I assume the rational is to have the ST end around where Legends sorta did? Rather than pushing it too far beyond the end of Crucible?
     
  3. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I cannot read dark empire without rise of Skywalker’s Exegol themes anymore
     
  4. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Betrayal itself internally refers to itself as being set in 37 ABY, as that was the initial setting.

    Meanwhile yes, with two years between LotF and FotJ (which lasts a year), it had to be nudged to its prior placement to accommodate TFA in 41 ABY.
     
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  5. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    What If:

    Shara Bey is Shira Brie? *Mind blown*
     
  6. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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    could work ??
     
  7. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    At the very least, I'm wondering if the use of the name Shara Bey, by Marvel, for a Rebel Alliance pilot isn't a reference to their original Shira Brie. I doubt it actually works for Shara to be a second alias, but now I'm wondering if Shara Bey is gonna show up in some capacity after her supposed death in 10/16 ABY.
     
  8. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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    so we decided where Ben and Jaina are during the Sequels but where is Tahiri ? i would like it to be more interesting then shes with the vong. Shouldnt Ben want to hunt her down even know shes not a jedi
     
  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    O:)

    Legacy of Caedus chapter 4. That is all.
     
  10. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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  11. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    Did Chancellor Mothma support President Organa Solo during BFC? I could see Mothma reluctantly agreeing with the opposition, even if she trusts Leia's motives, she was the one who pushed disarmament, a position she and other senators came to out of fear of empowering a second Palpatine.

    Just prior to BFC, in Ahsoka, we saw Mothma and Organa Solo at odds.


    Edit:

    Regarding the title of Chief of State vs President, Shield of Lies establishes that Leia was Chief of State of the Provisional Government of the New Republic, and that once the government was finalized (presumably through the admission of more member states and formalizing the bureaucracy) the position of CoS was given the title of President.

    I realize other books continue to use Chief, even after BFC, but I really like President. :p
     
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  12. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Since we all settled Ben Skywalker’s ST era is being the mortis quest

    what is Ben Skywalker’s post-ST career like

    those rumors from Sneider’s movie is leaving me hopeful that we can have a ton of space for legends characters to believably exist
     
  13. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    We haven't fully settled that the Mortis Quest takes up the entire ST. In fact, we have some indications that Ben and Jaina and others are back by TLJ, since Jaina Force-talks to Luke before his sacrifice.

    Exactly what Jaina and Ben are up to during the ST, after the Mortis Quest, I plan on touching on later. After I've actually read that far, as it is, I'm in Black Fleet right now.
     
  14. HMTE

    HMTE Jedi Master star 2

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    Having Mothma in the Chancellorship jostling Leia's elbow during the Black Fleet Crisis actually does some heavy lifting to justify Leia's seeming intransigence in that story arc. She comes across as uncharacteristically stubborn in her desire to not provoke the Yevetha, even when they are acting very suspicious and untrustworthy. She's adamant for large tracts of the story to not do any recon or conduct any action that comes across as provocative.

    Leia's always been a woman of action. Perhaps Senator Xiono and his people are portraying her as a war monger. If that's the case, then maybe Mothma's advising her to play it cool so that they can get the more zealous pacifists to calm down.

    As for Ben's post Sequel's career @Snoke-of-Darkness , It all really depends on Rey's solo movie if and when it comes out. I wouldn't address it definitively until that story is told.

    However, broad strokes, I personally headcanon Ben working to restore the Order with the surviving Quest Knights once the dust settles. Whether or not he teams up with Rey, or Rey forms her own splinter Order akin to the Altisians, is up in the air. I'd only make a decision on that once the Rey movie comes out.

    But Ben obviously has children who become Jedi, since we have Kol and Cade Skywalker running around, and they are explicitly Luke's descendants. Who knows, maybe in his escapades he runs into Vestara again and the two patch things up.

    Jaina, in my mind, helps Jag rebuild the legitimate Imperial Remnant. The Fel Empire is officially founded, and Jaina sets up the Imperial Knights, ruling with Jag as an Empress.
     
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  15. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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    yeah i wouldnt touch beyond the sequels that much. I also think any plot set up with abeloth shouldnt be resolved until after the ST either. Theres also the matter on if Rey or ahsoka appear in a potential ninth jedi sequel

    all we have for post sequel is plot adapting duel of the fates
    and the vague stuff from rise and fall of galactic empire with the two snokes
    and events with am and karre from twins
     
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  16. Chrissonofpear2

    Chrissonofpear2 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well the odd reference implies 37 ABY, yes. Useful for us - but it also has Ben Skywalker turn 14 halfway in. So fudgeable I guess.
    Part of the timeline compression gambit.

    And the timeline is currently squeezed in close to Crucible, I understand. Whether any will join up to the RPGs is up for debate.
    They are not set in stone yet, is my understanding - or it's a case of adaptation or possible overwrite.
    That may also include the 'Hidden Moment' scene with Jaina, depending on where things go.

    (HandofThrawn45 also has a 'Jade Skywalker' fairly soon debuting)

    Also maybe envious of Delpheas getting to read so much for the first time.
     
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  17. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    Touching on Chrissonofpear2's idea about the disinformation campaign regarding Leis parentage.

    The seeds for that are set up in Shield of Lies, where Minister Engh initiates an image rehabilitation program for Leia, after Nil Spaar and some intractable senators defame her on the grounds of being Vader's daughter. Leia agrees after deciding she doesn't want her kids hearing the lies, rumors, and slander.

    So we could very easily tie that into both Legacy of Caedus where Ben isn't told about his heritage, and the disinformation campaign. Maybe Admiral Drayson takes Engh's idea and goes further with it on his own, maybe Leia agrees or orders it.

    Options!
     
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  18. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    My big controversial idea for the problem of Anakin, Vader, and the public learning about it twice is simple

    everyone knows in the legends era that Anakin are Luke and Leia’s father, but no one knows that Vader and Anakin are the same guy

    it’s conspiracy theory that is viewed as fact by the imperial remnants, that is finally proven in the bloodlines storyline

    the legitimization of a imperial conspiracy theory further strengthens the Neo-imperialist movement of the bloodline era
     
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  19. HMTE

    HMTE Jedi Master star 2

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    I can only imagine the field day Leia's enemies had in Bloodlines when her status as Vader's daughter went from 'scandalous rumor/conspiracy theory/open secret' to verified fact.

    Engh's attempts to clear Leia's good name during the Black Fleet Crisis would be reinterpreted as spin doctoring at best, and suppression of the facts at worst. Then the Centrists would start to wonder if Leia asserted undue pressure over Engh to help her with her image. It's a conspiracy, obviously!

    And isn't that the sort of thing Vader would have done? Engaging in a conspiracy to hide the truth? Maybe the apple doesn't fall so far from the tree...definitely not the sort of attitude one would want from a First Senator.

    Leia goes from looking like the squeaky clean leader of the Rebellion and elder statesperson of the New Republic to a rather compromised figure. And if she's not all that great, then maybe the old Imperials aren't all that bad. Surely, all that talk of slavery and mass genocide is exaggerated...

    @Snoke-of-Darkness is right. It's the gift that keeps on giving for the neo-Imperial hardliners.
     
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  20. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Exactly, this is the kind of Andor-like storytelling that I strive for
     
  21. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Anyone want to hear how to fit Lucas’s original treatments into one canon?
     
  22. Delpheas

    Delpheas Jedi Knight star 3

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    His original sequal Trilogy treatments? Where Luke's Jedi academy was destroyed by his nephew who is being manipulated by Maul and Talon I and the fate of the order rests on the hands of a random girl with super Jedi powers, and Leia gets elected Chancellor making her the chosen one? (I maintain this particular treatment was Lucas' TCW style remix of the EU)

    Or his other ideas where Luke is gonna search for his sister Nellith, who is also bring trained as a Jedi and fighting in the rebellion elsewhere, and Luke almost becomes Vader's studentbinnan attempt to understand his father, and the Emperor shows up in Episode IX?

    Others might be interested, and I actually have my own ideas about the sister based on Black Fleet Crisis and Rey's Mom Miramir.

    Just share your idea, see where the chips fall!
     
  23. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Set between the Yuuzhan Vong war and dark nest

    opening crawl

    A GALAXY IN RUIN!!! In the aftermath of an invasion from the far outsiders, debate rages about the fate of the Galactic Alliance that the New Republic, Imperial Remnant, and other galactic powers joined to ward them off.

    With whole worlds decimated, many believe that reconstruction under the Alliance can be a first step to restoring the unity that has been lacking since the Galactic Republic, despite fears that it too can become the Galactic Empire.

    With their family scattered and in the grip of a midlife crisis, Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa-Solo worry that they’ll be unable to restore what their father had destroyed in a single lifetime….

    The Story

    Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa, grappling with a midlife crisis, become increasingly worried that they may not be able to bring peace to the galaxy within their lifetimes. Driven by this fear, they set out on a journey for the lost realm of Mortis, which allegedly contains a portal that leads to the World Between Worlds. The Skywalkers intend to use the World Between Worlds to transcend the physical plane, ascend to the cosmic plane inhabited by the Whills, and make contact with them so that they can gain their ability to feed off of the Living Force and achieve immortality. Joining them on this adventure are Sam and Kira Skywalker, the children of Luke Skywalker from his relationship with Calista Ming who raised them away from the Skywalkers. Together, they face Talon and “Maul,” along with their cabal of oligarchs, pirates, and crime lords. “Maul,” in particular, seeks to seize control of the world between worlds, steal the power of the Whills, and become the center of the universe. As the crisis unfolds, the Galactic Alliance transforms from a temporary military coalition into a permanent supranational state. In the climax of their journey, Sam and Kira, recognizing the immense danger posed by Mortis, make the ultimate sacrifice. They choose to remain as the guardians of Mortis, ensuring its disappearance from reality to protect the balance of the force.

    inspired by: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QqMXtDPSvOPbYscUm_pfS12IrIyht1u-XStRFxSwaLY/edit

    Maul is Palpatine or white eyes, who is possessing a maul clone via Nightsister magics
     
  24. Darth Corydon

    Darth Corydon Jedi Master star 4

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    with ya until ya make maul sheev for no reason even know maul's final death to kenobi would be his final death period according to one canon rules

    also dont think the skywalkers would wanna be immortal
    and the "making contact with the whills" seems ripped straight from hand of thrawns one legacy fanfiction

    also isnt there supose to be some sorta force creature called uber ?

    though everything else seems cool even know i dont think mortis or the wbw or even the wellspring of life is supose to be the microbological world lucas had in his sequel ideas
     
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  25. Snoke-of-Darkness

    Snoke-of-Darkness Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I was working within the confines of one canon rules by making white eyes disguise himself as maul

    maul is DEAD dead