ST THE RISE OF SKYWALKER mirroring and symbolism

“Can you fly a cruiser like this?”

“can you fly a tie fighter?!”

 

More about water.

There's Rey's 'he will shift the tide' in TLJ. The next time we see him, Kylo Ren is dead and the sea tide is no longer high.
That's after Rey talking about 'Ben's hand', another TLJ element.

Then, after talking to Han, Ben throws his lightsaber. The sea as a grave...

Spoiler

But: Rey got Luke's X wing out of the grave...Luke himself 'unwatered' it

...was Kylo's saber 'unwatered' too? As I remember, Kylo's saber had a cracked kyber crystal...

green-blue-yellow.

https://www.looper.com/173922/what-the-yellow-lightsaber-in-star-wars-means/
and
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jaden_Korr's_third_lightsaber
Maybe that 'purifying' thing has re-entered canon. In any case, Rey is maybe searching for someone at the end...

Spoiler: sea change

This belongs to the development thread, but still.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel's_Song

 

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There is a running theme with saber-locks being important to the narrative outcome of a duel.


TPM
Obi-Wan and Maul's fight ends when Obi-Wan is overpowered during a saber-lock with Darth Maul.



AOTC
Obi-Wan again loses to Dooku being overpowered in a lock at the end of their duel.


ROTS
Obi-Wan has learnt about saber-locks and retreats to a vantage point before being overwhelmed.










In the OT the saber locks are used to show Luke surpassing Vader from their first duel to their second.
ESB


ROTJ






In TFA Rey is being overpowered in a lock with Kylo, before she closes her eyes and "looks for the light" as Maz had instructed.




TROS
Rey tires after several strong attacks by Kylo, shown partially by his advantage during saber locks at the end of their fight.



It almost gives him the victory but Leia intervenes.

 

Spoiler

TPM



TROS

Spoiler

TPM


TFA


TROS










Kylo has really pushed Rey to this over the course of the film, but I think the implication is that it is a dark side thing for Rey to do.

Rey stabbing Kylo with the same saber he stabbed Han is also possibly an element of karma.

 

@DarthWolvo23 was being constructive though, that seems a bit harsh.

 

So many things in one movie are like other things in other movies!

 

I saw a Twitter post yesterday comparing how Rey and Kylo Ren represent the two sides of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.

In TFA, Kylo Ren speaks to Darth Vader's mask. Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber calls to Rey.

Spoiler

In the TROS, Kylo Ren hears Vader's voice. Rey hears Anakin's.

Spoiler

"Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did."

Their first lightsaber duel in TROS takes place in an environment where Vader's mask is between them. Rey is in a white room and Kylo is outside in the dark. They are literally fighting over Vader and Anakin's legacy. Which one will reign? Vader or Anakin?

Spoiler

The novel highlights this even more. Kylo is trying to follow Darth Vader's path, even ditching his own born name. He thinks Darth Vader is his grandfather. Rey ends up following Anakin's, down to taking Anakin Skywalker's name.

Spoiler

Through their dyad, they combine the perfect mixture of Vader/Anakin and his legacy. Dark and Light. Ying and Yang. "Twins of the Force."

Spoiler

It ties in pretty well with the Mortis arc. Kylo represents the Son, Rey the Daughter. Anakin Skywalker is the Father.

 

Play nice.


Nice work again @reyvision

 

This will take a few posts, please follow through all the posts it will make more sense.

Significant links with fire and water.

Spoiler

TPM - water cored planet.

ROTS - molten cored planet.

(Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Jar Jar drifting towards danger. /// Obi-Wan and Vader drifting towards danger)



Naboo.







Mustafar.












From water to fire.



(notice the raining sparks are a dark mirror to the rain next to Rey)
The water reaches Kylo through their force-bond.



(later on)



Mirroring Anakin and Padme's forbidden love.
Water to fire.




Back to water on Naboo.

The creators said they designed this to look like Padme was drowning.

Others here are better than me at discussing the symbology. Anyone want to take a crack at it?

 

Spoiler

Anakin's hateful rage is symbolised in the burning hell of Mustafar.


Is Ben's inner maelstrom a fire being quenched by the swell?






























Obi-Wan jumps away from the lava threat, Vader gives chase.





Rey jumps away from the water threat, Kylo gives chase.

 

Spoiler

Spoiler

"I HATE you!"




"You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you!"

"I did want to take your hand. Ben's hand."













The fire engulfs Anakin/Vader.

The raging swell has subsided to calm waters.

Spoiler

Fire again in TLJ to water in TROS.

 

Please do, I would like other people's input.

 

Finn and Padme are both at the start of the ROTS (fire) and TROS (water) fight, trying to reason with Anakin and Rey. Anakin chokes Padme in his anger, Rey pushes Finn away to protect him.

 

This isn't really related but I noticed Finn says "I can't leave her!" there like Anakin about Padme in AOTC.

 

Oh wow, you know I always wondered why Finn's line sounded so familiar to me. Now I know why. Thanks haha.

 

TPM:

Qui Gon: "I've encountered a vergence in the Force"
Mace: "Centered around a person?"
Qui Gon: "A boy"

About two generations later Anakin brings balance to the Force and dies. Two Skywalkers survive.

TROS:

Kylo Ren: "...we're a Dyad in the Force..."

Centered around two persons.A boy and a girl.

Palpatine: "Not seen in generations"

Ben grandson of Anakin dies. The Skywalker name survives by Rey adopting the name from the Two Skywalkers.

Bonus

Spoiler

(a little bit of fun to be honest): Sifo Dyas and Dyad. The former, hidden from the Jedi. The latter hidden from the Sith.

Cheers!

MJ

 

Thanks man

Wasn't trying to derail the thread at all

You know it's my favourite

 

@reyvision that post about Rey and Kylo being two halves of Anakin is very interesting. I think Rey is more a combination of Luke and Leia, but they themselves share many traits with Anakin.

@HevyDevy love the fire and water parallels and I think they did try and make the DS2 ruins look like the platforms on Mustsfar to emphasise that. The duel becomes a combination of the last duels seen in both the OT and PT.

 

Spoiler

Quicksand is sand+water, a transition element: a first approach to 'water'.
'Sand' is the past being dead and buried irreversibly. 'Water' is not 'dead', but 'gone'. Not the same, and not irreversible, since in these films no one's ever really gone.

That's scene is about Kylo and Rey in Kef-Bir and it's raging water, since the raging snake is healed by Rey; just as Kylo would be later in the film.

Ochi hurt the Snake before dying, and that might have been true about Ochi and Ben at the cause-effect level.

 

Sidious: "I sense Lord Vader is in danger..."
For the lava duel. Sidious senses Anakin at risk.

Leia: "Ben..."
Sensing Kylo in danger yet also concerned for Rey.

I'm drunk and eager to discuss any topics here.

 

The visual dictionary says Finn’s outfit was based on Han’s and Rey’s was based on Leia’s.