ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey (Ver. 2.0 -- see warnings in first post)

Honestly guys, sometimes the petty catfights happen due to the tiniest misunderstanding of Semantics.

Lets Read and Review before Responding to avoid squables.

I badly want this thread to be peaceful.

Beardwalker

The concept art was ditched and was further developed. The 'hostage' became the Interrogation Scene. I don't think concept art can be labeled as red herrings... Because as I understand, red herrings are misleading canon scenes or details such as "Finn the Jedi" in the trailers and marketing.

 

That's a photo of production, not pre production. We all know the first story was written without any ideas for the final 2 films in mind, they realised that Han and leia were a better match when they decided to write the rest of the trilogy. I fail to see how the picture is relevant when the new trilogy was written from scratch and as a whole long before production even started. And long before episode 8 went into production

 

If you're here to have a conversation I would enjoy that.

I would assume you're making a clever comparison between Luke and Leia and Rey and Ren? Well, the Original Trilogy was released in a very different time period and under very different constraints. Lucas and co. had no idea Leia was Luke's sister until well after A New Hope was released (and this is an unreleased shot from Empire that was filmed before he made the decision to have Han be Leia's love-interests). The crew didn't even know they would be able to make sequels at first. It's understandable that they made certain creative decisions without knowing better...

This Trilogy is quite different. We know they have the story planned already, even if the final script is not yet written. We are assuming the writers made certain creative decisions for a reason, and that they are competent storytellers who know where they want to go with the foreshadowing and narrative devices they've established. They aren't just making things up as they go along (because I would want nothing to do with that timely disaster).

I genuinely want to have civil debate and conversations with everybody here. I disagree with the posters in this thread very often (and I'm not hesitant to point this out). I'm not here to protect anybody, I'm not the thread head or the self-entitled "Reylo" moderator. I'm just a fan of Star Wars who wants to discuss this topic.

 

Maybe it's bothwho knows

 

Legal. And now I really want to post the gifs:



And to relate this to the topic: I wonder if he can sense that Rey was on the falcon at one point, if they do have some sort of force bond. That is quite a reach. I will try harder. He is probably only thinking about Han. Does he think Han came for Rey? Cause technically, Han did not. He must know he has to kill him. That is why he bends over like he has such a heavy weight on his shoulders. Since Rey saw Han as a father, too, Kylo also has guilt in that department. There is so much revolving around his character and emotionally weighing on him and you can really see that in these gifs, it is amazing that Adam Driver can pull this character off. He has a huge development in relationships with both Rey and Han in this movie and that was a tricky balance. Now, however, it will be just him and Rey, as he says, moving forward.

And to everyone responding to my gothic comment:
I agree that this won't be going down a full-blown gothic road. Star Wars is still optimistic and a fairytale and a children's coming of age story. In fact, IX will probably be pretty optimistic. VIII might just be going there a little bit, like dipping down into dark fairytale tones since it is the darker middle movie. It is supposed to be "weird" right? But, yeah, I don't think we will see a Phantom of the Opera ending or anything. It won't be the same, just maybe have some of the similarities we have discussed already and I think the tone of this latest trailer could be hinting at the tone of the next movie, possibly. But yeah, I agree with all you people that say it won't be gothic.

 

It's clearly a dark, possessive embrace as far as I'm concerned (and that very much fits the bill for what we've been given thus far). The melancholy human eye in the mask is the thing that drew my attention the most, as well as the girl's placid face. She doesn't look angry or sad or happy, she looks like she can't control anything, which is creepy in itself.

I found the image.



The other thing I find interesting is the fact that there appears to be another person watching them (the outline of a shoulder on the left side of the screen)? And the light shining from the girl's face, her hair glowing with the sun's radiance behind her.

 

I guess again that's up to what is in the eye of the beholder, you could be right.

I personally just see the picture as a "don't mess with us" look.( the choice to break the fourth wall means they are showing us, the audience something with these two and has nothing to do with other characters) She's not crying, she's not scared, I think she looks defiant, so it could be a hostage situation or it could be something else, the only way to know would be to talk to the artist about it.

 

The guy to the left is Finn...

This is a cropped pic. The original sized pic shows Finn with Maz and BB come to save Rey from Jedi Killer.

 

I didn't even know there was a full picture! That makes a ton of sense actually. I suspected it had to be Finn, but it's impossible to tell in the cropped version.

 

The girl has a "model face", pretty much the same expressionless stare as Daria Werbowy's in the original photo shoot...

I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a third person or if they're looking into a mirror? There are other mirrors in the room.

 

Yet they are not looking at Finn, they are looking at us. Finn is left in the shadows on his own at the side and Rey and ren are together, looking at us. Breaking the fourth wall. It's not a scene concept in my personal opinion. It's a concept of a love triangle. This theme appears to have been presented to us with the bridal carry, in the future of the franchise the theme will probably continue but also develop from an abduction to a mutual understanding and choice to work together. Just a guess

 

Like a Scooby Doo villain, George Lucas would have got away with his creative retconning if not for the pesky Luke/Leia romantic hints. THB, aside from that kiss to make Han jealous in ESB, the rest of it could easily have been excused. Even that kiss could have been placed in the (albeit dubious) context of them not being aware of the sibling thing if they hadn't given Leia the "I've always known," dialogue in RoTJ.

With this ST one would hope TPTB at least figured out who is related to who and who is going to be falling for who before they got into the nitty gritty of the rest of it. The hints pointing to a potential romance between Kylo and Rey were all there. For me, that trumps parentage doubts over Rey. I saw no hints of familial recognition between Kylo and Rey. No Rey Skywalker supporter has been able to explain their lack of foreknowledge of each other in their interactions if they are cousins without bringing some deus ex machina like mind wipes into it.

 

Lol I'm sure that's what she's about to say. That's a joke of course, she's about to kick him in the shin and get the heck out of there.

But as you can see, the title of this thread says "future". This thread is devoted to the acknowledgement that all our characters are going to be changed by the events of the narrative, as Luke, Han and Leia and Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan were before them in the Original and Prequel Trilogies. In coming-of-age stories like this one, character development is paramount to all else. I for one don't think Rey, Finn and Kylo are going to remain the same and that we are going to receive two films exactly like The Force Awakens, but that's just my stance on the matter.

 

I made a gif of that moment as well, though it is much darker in tone:

More brown, less blue. Perhaps an intention choice? Or perhaps color loss. It is an interesting moment in terms of character development for Kylo Ren. At what point in the story does this happen? Pre-killing Han, I assume, since he still has the helmet. The way he's draped over the pilot and co-pilot chair furthers the impression of emotional turmoil and connection to the past.

If you think about it, Kylo is a bit obsessed with relics. Grandpa's mask, the legacy lightsaber, the MF. Connecting with things rather than with people. Covered from head to toe in a costume that itself rather like a historical relic. That's a lonely situation to be in. Which makes the possibility of connection to a person all the more seductive (to use the word from the scene with Snoke):

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(after light saber grab)

Which brings me back to this quote:

In this case, it would be the specter of reintegration into a human, flesh and blood world.

 

This is the only reply I am going to have for this topic:

 

Jakku Sun Aesthetic I think that in 3.gif you posted he turns around because he heard the resistance fighters You can see them at the top/center, they look like little birds And i agree with you, i think it won't be gothic

 

Same here. Admittedly I'm still catching up but so far all the fun has been sucked out of this.

 

Thanks for posting the gifs. The shot of the camera zooming in on Kylo is amazing. It looks like the MF's window is a spider web he's caught in as well. His body language shows the memories, the angst, the patricide that he must do for Snoke. Brilliant. I wish JJ would release a director's cut of TFA like LOTR (of course that won't happen) . I think he's turning around here because he senses Han running around and Rey as well. It would be really sad if in Ep8, Rey has a force vision of child Ben Solo sitting in the pilot seat with Han.

 

That reminds me of a scene in Airplane movie. When this guy is looking in a mirror (well it looks like he is) then he steps through the thing and his wife looking at absolutely nothing!

 

Honestly cant cite sources for the original pic but I found the article discussing it in MSW... There wasnt any other detail about it. Just that it appeared to be a hostage rescue scene... And no further detail of what happens after is mentioned...

If they had additional concept arts on this particular plot point in TFA, like how Rey and the others got away, then it'll be easier to piece together.

I agree with Geminiwankenobi that its not wholely a scene conceptualization... It's an experiment on character chemistry.. It can be adversarial, or romantic triangle... Either way, th main focus of the scene is Kira an JediKiller... Whereas Finn, Maz and BB8 are all simply shrouded in silhouettes in the foreground...

 

This attitude also seems to overlook the fact that Rey and Kylo Ren are not in a relationship. Their potential as a couple, for me - and I expect most other regulars here - is tightly related to Kylo's possible redemption.

 

To my eye, it is an ambiguous image. It's unclear to me whether this concept of Kylo and Rey (however they were called at the time) was intended to be for TFA or for farther along in the trilogy. Kylo is clearly more (externally) monsterous than he was as realized in TFA. Rey looks less empowered than we ever see her in TFA. She is physically restrained (though not roughly), and her expression looks sombre and grim. Not upset or agitated, but not in a bright and peaceful place.

I hope this represents a discarded concept rather than a conception for as-yet-unmade installments. I am especially uncomfortable with it as it pertains to Reylo, because that image (to me) encapsulates the very dynamic I'd prefer not to see: A dark, unredeemed Kylo, and a less empowered Rey intwined with a increasingly monsterous villain.