ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Agreed.

 

Really? I would argue that he wasn't making real innuendos at all. They were placed there by the writers, who knew full-well what any adult would glean out of "I can take whatever I want." I really do think he was talking about the map. Ren isn't a sexual predator... there was nothing to suggest that. It's way too dark for Star Wars. Just about everything in that scene paints Ren as innocent, from crouching on the ground like a little boy to cocking his head to avoiding eye-contact to bumbling his words. He was actually quite submissive until the interrogation really got under way.

 

You ladies just want to pop Kylo's cherry yourselves and that's perfectly OK.

Hey, has anyone ever discussed this? It was published in June 2015 so way before TFA came out. They heard back then that interrogation was crucial for the sequel:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/06/minor-update-star-wars-the-force-awakens-parent-trap/

Yep, this is look of love awakens in Kylo:

 

In case anyone wonders what Kylo's Valentine's Day plans are

 

I'd like to think out three masked central characters are all going to be given an equal opportunity to develop. I don't necessarily "ship" Ren and Rey in a romantic or sexual sense. We just don't have enough information yet.

Although I definitely saw the erotic imagery and sexual undertones in Rey and Ren's interactions, I think making their connection out to be purely raw and carnal is a little unfair to the characters we were given. Rey and Ren are young adults who've been confined to childlike states as a result of trauma. Their circumstances have not allowed them to develop into healthy sexual beings. Even if it could be argued that Ren uses his sexuality as a weapon, he still comes across as incredibly naive. When he says "I can take whatever I want" he's not talking about Rey's virginity. He's referencing the map. "Don't be afraid, I feel it too," isn't alluding to a twofold sexual awakening. We don't quite know the implications behind that line just yet. This is Star Wars. We're never going to be given a sex scene. In The Force Awakens, we were all able to easily pick up on a beautiful sense of sexuality behind the spiritually and emotionally intense, yet carnally tame, relationship between Ren and Rey. What we're seeing is all metaphorical. Sex can be alluded to within passionate lightsaber battles. Star Wars is meant to be enjoyed on many levels. The Force Awakens accomplished this feat incredibly well. I believe episodes 8 and 9 could do the same.

 

After further thought, you might be right. Again, this goes back to further discussions in this thread about Ren being a walking contradiction of himself. It's obvious from the bridal carry scene he's into Rey for more reasons than just the map. However, he might not understand it himself which goes back to the link discussing Snoke's manipulation and why he's probably a virgin. He's been conditioned to not think about attachments, sexual or otherwise. I agree Disney would not condone that line if he actually meant it the way the audience interpretted it.

vaderito you are 100% correct!!!

 

*cough* Force Bond *cough*

 

Ramifications is my new favorite word. Oh the possibilities!!!

 

This is so well said. Another reason why we Reylo's love this pairing so much. They have so much in common despite being on the opposites sides, like 2 halves of the same shell.

OK, Force lock during the duel wasn't carnally tame. It was metaphorically really carnal. Kylo looked like he was thrusting on top of her. She closed her eyes in Force (Bond)?) induced ecstasy. Than he calmed and looked just as connected. They were even breathing in unison. But yeah, there's something hard to pin point about Ren. He's very sexual and sensual and at the same time very pure, innocent, I don't know? I mean, offering her to be her teacher when there's no way she accepts...that was just bonkers. It was,like, at this point I really don't care what happens to me so I might just ask her. Like, what would happen if she played along just to see what his endgame is? Would he take her to Snoke? Run away with her? What? Snoke was 100% out of equation here. He wasn't mentioned, Dark Side wasn't mentioned so doubtful he would hand her over. Therefore running away it is. So much naivette here.

Lightsaber battle was so frwakin passionate I have to fan myself every time I watch.

 

Yeah, Kylo comes across as extremely closed off- almost monk-like. His costume reflects this, layers and layers of covering. He is isolated (only confiding in Vader's helmet) and either surrounded by people he hates (Hux) or faceless people (Phasma the stormies) effectively leaving him very alone except for Snoke. I have compared him to a knight on a holy crusade- those knights would forego any carnal desires until their quest was completed.

 

I might be wrong, but I seem to remember when Kylo said "you know I can take whatever I want", he glanced down Rey's body...I dunno...and he did it before when she described the droid...

 

Oh, hellooooooooo. And this came out well before the movie, obvi.

He did *faints*

 

He did, but that was acting on Driver's end to emphasize the point... just in case the dialogue wasn't enough.

 

One could say that the scene at the cliff's edge alluded to some kind of sexual act (I'm not sure I would say that), but the fact remains that Rey and Ren weren't literally getting it on. The sexuality within the film was all metaphorical, and that was what made it so fascinating.

 

This is exactly what I was referring to - he basically undressed her with his eyes for half that scene. If he wasn't looking her in the eye, he was looking somewhere else. I wouldn't label him to be a sexual predator by any means. He says he can take whatever he wants, yet he doesn't. In the novel, he states he will be as gentle as possible and that he only needs the map.

 

Mana

He did, and this is why it is so interesting because it is almost like he isn't even aware of what he is doing. His actions are betraying his subconcious thoughts- all joking aside, the dude is no Casanova- not even a smooth af Han. Kylo isn't actively seducing Rey with smoulder eyes, and yet they are there.

 

Ha, I'll lay out my personal reasoning for why I subscribe to Kylo Ren being a virgin...

1. Adam Driver said he got a lot of information as an actor from his Kylo Ren costume. The fact that he is completely covered from head to toe suggests someone not comfortable with being exposed in any way, and yet he's a man with deep emotional turmoil both internally and in his external rage. He didn't like Hux seeing him without the mask. Plus, and I know it's not canon in any way, but during the SNL Kylo Ren sketch, where AD was playing a version of KR, he flinched and looked appalled when Zack touched his arm. Rey was unconscious when he carried her, and he had already decided at that point that she deserved special attention. Kylo did have some of his father's swagger when he removed his mask, he was all "A creature in a mask? I'll show you a creature in a mask!" I don't want to get too much into imagining Kylo as a lost little boy in the schoolyard pulling the hair of a girl he likes to get her attention, but there was an element of that IMO.

2. It sounds like Snoke has had his hooks in Ben/Kylo since early childhood. I just re-watched the OT and it is stressed there, as at the end of the PT, that the Emperor viewed Anakin Skywalker's having children as extremely dangerous. Obi-Wan tells Luke in RoTJ... "To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him."

Snoke already appears to be distrustful of Kylo and appears to want to keep him isolated. Family attachments or any attachment that could lessen Snoke's influence over him are not to be permitted IMO. Even casual/just-scratching-an-itch sex carries the risk of some feelings developing and I don't believe Snoke would stand for that. I can imagine he's told Kylo he needs to stay pure and channel his energies into restoring the galaxy to its rightful order (or however else he phrases his voodoo bullcrap!)

3. For all Kylo Ren has done, he has an air of innocence about him. Maybe that's one of the reasons why he's so intrigued by Rey. She has an air of purity about her, as well as the added attraction of being force sensitive.

Most of it is probably down to my head-canon, but in the Star Wars world, and given what we've seen so far of Kylo, his being a virgin would not surprise me. It's not like I expect him or anyone else to come out and say it in the movies, but it could be implied in various ways.

When it comes down to Kylo/Ben being like his father, Han Solo, I don't necessarily see that in terms of his sexual prowess. Sure, Han had plenty of swagger, but he also struck me as being insecure underneath it all. He actually seemed to believe on a couple of occasions that Leia might prefer Luke to him, and even offers to stand aside at one point before Leia tells him Luke is her brother. It doesn't mean he wasn't experienced with the opposite sex, he loved Leia so the stakes were higher, but it also doesn't equate to him being some kind of lothario that his son would emulate.

I've seen Adam Driver in Girls too, but it didn't affect the way I view Kylo Ren. For all that's been said about his looks, he is an actor that exudes charisma and sensuality/sexuality, which also feeds into our perception of Kylo. I don't know, maybe he's a regular space stud and I'm just seeing what I want to see!

 

I'd say this is total allusion. I mena, look at them and look at the editing. It just needs sound of panting, grunting and ooh aaah and it's totally there.

http://kylodelrey.tumblr.com/post/135703275131/turn-your-magic-on-to-me-shed-say-everything-you

I don't mind more of Reylo metaphorical sex as long as it keeps getting this steamy or steamier.

Found a bad gif of "You know I cna take whatever I want" It's speed up for some reason but I'm not noticing that he's leering. He comes off more smug than anything else.





Diddy Minty I'm totally on board Virgin Kylo Disney Princess. Nothing can un-convince me that lips red as blood, hair black as night, white as snow isn't a Disney Princess. He's a virgin who needs saving from the evil dragon Snoke who GPS'd Kylo's chastity belt. I love my new headcanon so thank you thank you thank you!

 

Holy Forces!!! As much as the interrogation scene and the bridal carry has been analyzed to death in various metas and essays, I haven't seen as much on the final battle scene. I do understand he fights Finn first so we can see the difference between the way he fights with Finn as opposed to the way he battles with Rey. There is a stark difference in the same way he interrogated Poe.

However, further analysis isn't really needed as its all in the visuals. Your work here is done, my friend.

 

Guys, look at the little hearts in the background...
Kylo's in love..

 

When you take the Force Bond into context in the battle, I really love how obvious it becomes that Rey adopts Ren's saber techniques. The heavy thrusts, the lack of emphasis on defence, the flipping for extra force, everything. Their movements mirror each other so well in the final bit of the fight, particularly when they reach that deadlock and push each others' lightsabers in opposite directions to form a single half blue/half red line. Beautiful use of symbolism... but sorry, I should say "what I hope is symbolism." Because that's totally how narrative devices work. The little red cross that becomes reflected in Rey's eyes just before she feeds on his training once more is a lovely touch, contrasted by a blue line in Ren's.

The Force Bond really is the best theory to come out of this entire teaser of a movie.

 

The interrogation scene is on YouTube. I won't post a link because I don't think it's allowed as it is bootleg material.

I just watched it and Kylo does not look at her body when he says "You know I can take whatever I want." He briefly breaks eye contact with her, but not to ogle her body. It's more a boastful action than anything suggesting *those* kinds of intentions.

 

The hair... it's spellbinding. #Kyloreal

 

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Mana Are those hearts for real? he's giving such Aragorn vibe in that scene. I love to watch that gif with Rohan Theme from LOTR:TTT. He's very Kingly here.

LOL, this scene is Kylo's most virginal face ever:





Diddy Minty Agreed! The scene is more boastful than anything else, didn't try to be creepy.