Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

I'm holding out hope that 2022 will be a very nasty wakeup call for the GOP. Somebody in this thread has to have all the hope.

 

With the exception of 2002, which was for obvious reasons, midterms over at least the past 30 years have never been great for the party holding the White House.

EDIT: I'm not saying it's impossible for the Democrats to make significant gains. One thing they need to do to buck the trend is... not act like Democrats.

 

I call "Not It"

 

Considering the mans age and obesity it is entirely possible he might not be around too much longer anyway so

Hopefully yeah.

 

I think Sander's being 'barely left of centre' is a bit much. He would still be left-leaning within social democratic/labour parties.

 

Well, unfortunately, he is saying himself that he expects to be reinstated as President by August.

 

Okay but he says a lot of things and most of them aren't true so....

 

Yet thanks to the actions of his followers on January 6th, we have no choice but to take him and them deadly serious in so far as whether they would actually act to make this happen. So much as we'd all love nothing more than to forget him, his own actions force us to watch him. Which of course is exactly what he wants. And we can tell that this is literally him begging for attention because his social media attempts have failed. So this is just another "look at me!" The problem is the crazy people who buy into it and will actively try to make it happen.

I just wanted to say:

 

Trump is getting more mileage out of an ex presidency than ever. Drop the guy. Reinstated as president? By whom? What is he going on about? Aren’t there more pressing issues? Like: gas prices. Border problems. Rising consumer costs which hurts everyone, especially lower income people. Possible beef shortages. Ya know.... major stuff!

 

I'm reminded of the ICU nurse in Oklahoma who quit last year after a patient dying of COVID told her with his final breath it was all a hoax.

You just made an excellent argument for universal basic income, along with reinstating higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy. They're not the ones who will be hurt by rising core inflation, so...

 

Given the history as a fan of hurting lower income people, the faux concern isn't going to work. Not to mention "gas prices" are an utterly made-up concern. Gas prices now are about what they were (or lower) than they were for much of the last few years of Bush and 2011-2014 of Obama. And that's without inflation being taken into account.

Putting a saboteur back in the White House is still 'major stuff', and is still quite possible, given that the Republicans would like to do so. Republican voters want Trump, and Republican lawmakers want to rig the elections. Those combine to be a very major issue.

 

Hoax? nah - I had it and so did my family. Its real. It didnt hit us very hard and most people seem to recover. But a hoax it is not.

UBI? As Ive said before: Im fine with it IF and only IF we get rid of every other program that gives people stuff for free. So, no more food stamps, welfare, heating assistance, etc. If that all goes away, along with the costs associated of administering those programs(wont need all the employees running those programs then anymore) then great. It'll be a cost neutral thing or close to it. The catch is that if you give people UBI then they had better spend it wisely. That means using for necessities and not "fun" stuff. If they blow their UBI on whatever else..... no running to the Govt for bailouts. Do that, and Im 100% fine with UBI. Do I get it too? .

Investigate the Capitol thing? Ehhh. More taxpayer dollars wasted chasing down some fringe folks? Whats the objective? What do they hope to solve by doing this? Id rather they investigate the Covid origins and make sure that cant and doesnt happen again. Way more benefit to that, IMO.

I was kind of kidding about the beef thing . Our local farms have better beef(grass fed, more expensive but worth it) than some giant corporation anyways. We only eat it here and there.

I almost laughed when Anheiser-Busch started offering beer to anyone that got a vaccine. Hell, their beer is so bad that Id rather stay unvaccinated than get free beer from them. What a joke. That beer can make you sicker than any virus

 

Yes, Mike, you get UBI too. That's what UBI means -- Universal Basic Income.

It's like the MST3K joke:

 

Says the guy who probably has a shrine in his house for the worship of Trump 2.0, aka Ron DeSantis.
And let's not forget you've already admitted the only reason you didn't vote for him the second time was because you felt the Electoral College disenfranchised you.

Ignoring your laundry list of horse**** conservative media talking points, don't pretend for one second you give a single **** about 'lower income people'.

Nope!
Also, nice regurgitation of recasting programs designed to give aid to people in dire need as 'stuff for free'. Your bottomless pit of heartlessness is truly abominable.

I mean, a coup attempt to overthrow the US government? Who cares, right? It's not like a former US general has been calling for the overthrow of the government, or conservative governors has been rushing to pass laws to overturn elections by order of a single conservative judge without providing reasons.
Your attempts at deflection are getting truly pathetic.

"I saw on Hannity how it was China and we need to prove it", **** right off with that conspiracy ****.

 

Mike doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of us, and therefore should only be eligible for Parallel Universal Basic Income, which is paid with monopoly money and laced bootstraps.

On another note, Fox News is about to burst an aneurysm.

This will soon be all the GOP is talking about. Wish I could say I can't wait, but I must not tell lies.

 

I love how investigations only waste money when they're aimed at the GOP. It wasn't a fringe group either. It was Trump's most loyal cult-members, along with 130 some odd members of congress who then decided to side with them, along with perhaps a few of them giving these idiots tours the day before, and meeting with their leaders in Trump's hotel the night before.

I mean it's not like we're demanding dozens of Benghazi investigations over the course of years and years. Just one will do. Just a single one.

 

By the by, I was on the way out to a lake to go fishing this weekend and drove past one of those garish roadside tents still hawking their Trump political memorabilia six months after the election.

He’s clearly irrelevant.

 

And the transparency about how you don't actually want an investigation to take COVID seriously shows up again, as you're already presuming you know the origins sufficiently to say that steps should be taken so that a disease capable of being a pandemic can't happen again. That will *always* be a possibility so long as animals that can host viruses exist. It is impossible to have a clue and simultaenously say that one wants to investigate the origins and also that we need to make sure that the origin of a disease can't happen again.

Murdered 5 police officers?

 

Not just a vaccine against locals?

 

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/06/03/the-supreme-court-giveth-and-taketh/

This scares me. Aside from the obvious reasons, Justice Gorsuch's line: "...it is something else entirely to perpetuate something we all know to be wrong only because we fear the consequences of being right" could be used to justify overturning pretty much anything. I can absolutely see this being used to reverse Roe, Obergefell, and even Lawrence.

@GrandAdmiralJello, thoughts?