The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan

So which book is yalls fav of the saga?

Without a doubt, Lord of Chaos. THe proverbial ***t hits the fan during that book.

The sad truth with the Wheel of Time however, is that after book 6 the series has basically peaked. Jordan's characters are far too numerous and, sadly, rather unrelateable at this point. The story has gotten too big, too complex, for him to finish in any sort of satisfactory fashion, IMO. It's sort of sad, because the Wheel of Time (Along with Terry Goodkind's The Sword of Truth sage) is really what got me into Science-Fiction/Fantasy.

Still, Lord of Chaos is one of the finest works of its type that I've ever had the pleasure of reading. The final 45-50 pages are...astounding. Great work.

On the topic of Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire:

I'm currently almost exactly halfway through A Clash of Kings as we speak, so my opinion comes with that stipulation attached.

Excellence, I think you are greatly exaggerating the amount of sex that Tyrion has throughout the series, though I agree with your statement that Martin seems to be a bit obsessed with the notion of intercourse on the whole. Things are starting to blur together right now because I'm reading so much, but as far as I can remember Tyrion has had sex with exactly one girl: Shae. Since he picked her up, there has been sex "on-screen" so to speak a grand total of perhaps 3 times. There are characters with a far greater sex to page time ratio than him, if you're wanting to get picky. Theon Greyjoy, for one, who spends a solid 15 pages fantasizing about, and grabbing the breasts of, his sister.

I would think that a character such as Cersei Lannister, who is openly incestuous with her brother Jaime and has extensive sexual relations with her first cousin in Jaime's absence, would be much more offensive to your tastes.

The series as a whole is interesting so far, I suppose, but I can sense a Jordan-esque writer's block coming up. The series already is starting to feel like it is dragging on forever.

JMA

 

If you're only halfway through book 2, you haven't seen it all. Nearly every Tyrion chapter in that book had copulation, oral or whole. And for no reason at all, just for a short lesbian paragraph, Danaerys takes her handmaiden to bed in book 3.

You sort of get used to spears plunging through boy's necks and all that, because it's just mentioned, never in-depth; but it's Martin's unrelenting fascination with "****" even as metaphors and figure of speeches that's annoying. I just ignore each time I come across it.

I'm currently reading Ian Irvine's View from a Mirror, and I've identified something in fantasy books: Goodkind, Irvine, Martin and others for all I know are all competing to bash and physically damage their characters as much as is survivably possible, as if "realism" is the new trend nowadays. It gets repetitive and overdone, and I'm beginning to turn me off.

 

Okay I started reading this series with New Spring so I really formed a bond with Lan, Moriane, and Siuan.

Then I get to EotW and Rand really stands out alot more than the Matt and Perrin(although I LOVE Perrin's yellow eyes) Me personaly I like Mages more importantly I like mages who can FIGHT with weapons. Like a Red Mage in an FF game.

Well then I get to The Dragon Reborn and Rand is hardly in it so far. So I need a character to replace him. Well Mat is now my fav. His witty ness and luck are amazing espically in the scene with Galad and Gawyn. They were so cocky and sure they would win. THe whole time I have this huge grin on face thinking that Mat is fixing to tear them a new one! Sure enough he knocked them around quite a bit. Yeah Mat is the man!

I am really hoping that he goes back to the trainning yards and trains with the Warders. Don't spoil it for me though!

 

Don't worry. Mat has his own journey to take...

 

Im curious as to whats the best website on The Wheel of Time. Theres tons of them. Which one is the best?

 

I will have to get you the link I have at my office. It is the best I had come across when the last book came out before New Spring.

 

Cool. Thanks.

 

I should be getting to The Fires of Heaven pretty soon, but I just hope it isnt a letdown after The Shadow Rising which, IMO, is easily the best WoT book to date.

 

I should be getting to The Fires of Heaven pretty soon, but I just hope it isnt a letdown after The Shadow Rising which, IMO, is easily the best WoT book to date.

Don't worry, they don't go downhill until after Lord of Chaos.

 

They don't exactly go downhill, so much as they plateau. And stay there. Yet after LoC you're expecting things to HAPPEN, so the plateau of nothingness seems rather bad in comparison.

I guess if you do what I did, and just read them all at once it just blurs together and you don't notice. I honestly don't remember where one book began, and the other ended anymore.

-P!-

 

Here is the website I mentioned. http://www.geocities.com/toddtief_who/index.html

 

I should be getting to The Fires of Heaven pretty soon, but I just hope it isnt a letdown after The Shadow Rising which, IMO, is easily the best WoT book to date.

Fires of Heaven is a solid book, DV, and Lord of Chaos, the next in the series, is downright fantastic.

A Crown of Swords is book 7, and it's still pretty solid, but after that the series becomes nearly incomprehensible outside of a few great scenes.

I'm hoping against hope that the 3 books Jordan has used on build-up will culminate in something as good as Lord of Chaos if not better. We'll see.

JMA

 

Thanks for that, JMA.

Yea, Ive been hearing for a while now that the series takes a drastic dip in quality after LoC. It'll be a while until I get to that one so hopefully it wont dissapoint, especially if the series takes such a dramatic tailspin after that.

 

After LoC, ACoS starts to reveal some hints that Jordan may be spinning his creative wheels abit, and then the subsequent 3 books sort of prove that theory correct. Like I said, I hope he's building up to an awesome conclusion, but the first 7 books were so solid, in my mind, that the last three have been sort of unfulfilling.

JMA

 

I agree JMA. I hope that the conclusion is as good as the first couple.

 

Ive only read the first four, but from those books alone I can tell that Jordan is already building B'alzamon (sp?) up waaaay too much. I cant really see any way that the final battle between Shaitan and Rand will be anything but a dissapointment, you know ?

 

Ive only read the first four, but from those books alone I can tell that Jordan is already building B'alzamon (sp?) up waaaay too much.

Just wait until the end of book 5...

 

Thanks for the link Maveric. I thought that only the last to entries were lacking and they still had some good stuff in them. Enough not to quit on the series.

 

I was wondering something here. I am still on book 3 and I notice that Ba'alzomon is refered to as THE dark one.

Well I have in my lap a information book By Robert Jordan and Theresa Patterson. It is saying that Ba'alzomon is one of the Forsaken. Is this clarified later in the series? I don't think that it is a big deal it just has me curious. Which is he, Forsaken, or The Dark One?

 

I think that's explained towards the end of that book. Just wait and read.

-P!-

 

Even though its been a while since Ive read The Dragon Reborn Im pretty certain that I dont remember Jordan referring to B'alzamon as a Forsaken. Perhaps that's revealed in a later book ?

 

I thought that was in, like, book 5. But then it has been 7 years since I read the first 7 books.

 

It gets explained later on, DV, about Ba'alzamon. Knowing that there are more books in the series, as you do, it's obvious that the guy who Rand defeated in the skies above Falme and at the Stone of Tear isn't actually THE Ba'alzamon.

JMA

 

Oh, yea, of course not.

 

I finished TDR last and man I LOVED the ending

Also it was mentioned at the end that Ba'alzamon was PERHAPES Ishamel.