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Books The Wrath of Darth Maul Biography by Ryder Windham (SPOILERS... heavy SPOILERS be warned)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CeiranHarmony, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. Genghis12

    Genghis12 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    //sigh.

    Does it clarify whether Maul ceases being a Revan-inspired Banite Sith? I guess it doesn't matter. Just add it to the ever-growing list.

    Remind me again, after the imposition of the Rule of Two, who're the two Sith out of:

    1. Bane, Zannah, and Exar Kun?
    2. Zannah, Cognus, Set Harth, and Exar Kun?
    3. Darth Sidious, Maul, and Exar Kun?
    4. Darth Sidious, Maul, Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    5. Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyrannus, Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    6. Darth Sidious, Maul, Tyrannus, Krayt, Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    7. Darth Sidious, Vader, Maul, Krayt, Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    8. Darth Sidious, Vader, Krayt(*), Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    9. Darth Sidious, Lumiya, Flint, Krayt(*), Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    10. Darth Sidious, Lumiya, Carnor Jax, Krayt(*), Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    11. Lumiya, Carnor Jax, Krayt(*), Vergere, and Exar Kun?
    12. Lumiya, Krayt(*), Vergere, Exar Kun, and Kyp Durron?
    13. Lumiya, Krayt(*), Vergere?
    14. Lumiya, Caedus, Krayt(*)?

    * Until such time as one Sith becomes "One Sith," and "Krayt" becomes merely a name for all of his followers, regardless of number.
     
  2. Sable_Hart

    Sable_Hart Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    All of the above is available on Googlebooks?
     
  3. SithStarSlayer

    SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Was.


    Last I checked, Chapter Two was still up, minus a few pages.
    Two days ago, there was a glitch and random chapters were available.

    LadyTila was also able to read some, and a couple of MODs.

    I can tell you more about the room, the door, the chime, the workout, the trap, the shot, the classroom, the fish, the man, the proper way to answer, the reason Maul doesn't know Sidious is Sith, the star systems, what being special means, whatever else you think of... the details provided about end of the trip to Tosste and the Orsis Academy Intro weren't online when I tried read it again this morning. There is some other stuff I skimmed through but ignored and ever since my first official 3SA-spoiler drop in '05, I've always tried to be as acurate and faithful to the material as possible. Besides, the redcoats from across the pond would get me if I bulls#!++3d a spoiler.

    :)
     
  4. Sable_Hart

    Sable_Hart Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Naturally, I feel inclined to ask about Sidious's Force power/strength/mastery/insert synonym here and the nature of any possible relationship he has with the enigmatic Mother Talzin.
     
  5. SithStarSlayer

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    You've accidentally been ninja'd.[face_blush]

    As to that answer you seek, unfortunately, the Dathomir pages were inluded in those that were missing. I can tell you that Sidious blew Maul's mind with his ability. Granted, the boy was between 3-5... Sidious got him as an infant, or very young toddler. Loved that they at least kept Iridonia.
     
  6. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    Assuming the Sith on Naboo was Sidious and that they're not setting up Plagueis's Revenge, it's struck me that Maul's survival proves Sidious was telling Anakin total poodoo when he implied he didn't know all Plagueis's tricks.

    Possible Plagueis novel crossover?
     
  7. DarthAdamentum

    DarthAdamentum Jedi Youngling star 3

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    nah. more like Zabrak's anatomy is different from Humans so being cut in half does not mean death to them.
     
  8. T-R-

    T-R- Chosen One star 5

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    Either does falling down a bottomless shaft.

    So, Kenobi tells the Jedi that he killed a Sith, the same Sith that just killed Jinn, and they DON'T go looking for the body? WTF?
     
  9. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah, this is definitely something I'm going to hold judgement on until I see it.
     
  10. SithStarSlayer

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    100% correct. He was bevel-L, long before Lemelisk.

    ***

    OK, here is my take on why Maul isn't explicity told that they are Sith:

    Maul was 'rescued' as an infant and was 'looked-after' by the Sith droid, with infrequent visits from 'the man'. Once introduced to Master Sidious around the age 3, he is told that there is a purpose to way he is being reared. Next, at age 5, the boy is taught that Jedi either take u, force u to stop using your powers or die. Sidious then explains that they are unique, that there none like them. It will be 10 or more years before Maul will be capable and for Sidious to be ready to whack Plagueis. The Muun might've suggested the assassin route, but Sidious taught the boy more than that. Anyways, the only secrets that Sidious could trust that young child with, were his birth world, where else he had been and that they were special, along with his Master's name. Why? It was unknown if the Orsis Academy would report the attempt to enroll a force sensitive and if that didn't happen, the Falleen school master still had to be dealt with and the final one, because there was always a chance that Maul would lose his cool and use the force while enrolled, thus forcing the hand of the Academy. So basically, the detail that Maul didn't know, prevented him from ever being a real risk to Sidious and Plagueis. Not sure if Maul was left to figure it out and thus aspired to be Sith all for himself, or if Sidious at some point, set it out there as a goal/ challenge. By the age of 15, Maul knows he is Sith and is 'somewhat in the know' with regards to his Master's plans with the TF. For a kid book, it is deftly written, as far as the wholesale changes go. Big picture, it only makes sense that Maul could not know so early on. I may not like all of it, but it certainly works with two Sith Lords and a boy.
     
  11. TheRedBlade

    TheRedBlade Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Is this what they mean when the say that "Star Wars is a train?"
     
  12. SithStarSlayer

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    That was the first thing I thought of, when I learned he was back. Forget checking out Maul's ship, go retrieve his BODY!! I mean, who knows what data cards are in his pockets?

    Its not like Vos couldn't get brought in to read the light saber and whatever else Maul touched.
    [face_whistling]
     
  13. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    agreed on that, but remember, same transport the Jedi arrived on carried Palpatine, so guess who was first to get to the body?
     
  14. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Anyone actually hoping we get one of these for Tyranus? He may not be as profitable as Maul or Vader, but I think it may make the best one yet; a lot of his life is a blank slate, and he's a really interesting character, even if he's the black sheep of Palpatine's apprentices.
     
  15. T-R-

    T-R- Chosen One star 5

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    THAT is my problem. Either the Jedi didn't look for Maul's body or they looked but didn't find it. Either one is pathetic and causes problems. If they looked and didn't find it, why would they say he was dead? If they didn't look then that makes them extremely stupid.
     
  16. SithStarSlayer

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    Taking that thought one step further....

    The book (at least what I read) doesn't use the words "Darth Sidious revived Darth Maul", so if anyone is looking for that, they will not be amused. The book presents the answer in the form of a hazy riddle by using certain themes(if you will). There is one very clear, distinct description and one fuzy memory provided in the Prologue and Epilogue. So, if one is well versed in the life of Bevel Lemelisk, then the story inside the Wrath of Darth Maul provides a way to put the three pieces together. The man, the spider-leg droid and resurrection-amnesia. Its all there, just not 'stated'.

     
  17. Manisphere

    Manisphere Jedi Master star 5

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    I'll go with that. After all, it was the Imps that found Luke's hand on Cloud City. And that's just a hand.
     
  18. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    "His body must have disappeared into the Force."
    "But haven't we forgotten about that ability?"
    "Oh, yeah. Well, we can get collective amnesia?"
    "Works for me."

    Personally, I'm inclined to go with "They assumed Maul's body exploded, Sith-style," which seems to be all the rage lately, with various characters in TOR going out Nihilus-style in a shower of electric sparks and assorted Force pyrotechnics.
     
  19. instantdeath

    instantdeath Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What exactly did Maul fall into, anyway? I'm not particularly knowledgeable about the technology of the GFFA, but if he fell into something like a generator, I could see the Jedi just assuming his body disintegrated.
     
  20. SithStarSlayer

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    The pit had a mattress factory at the bottom.
     
  21. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Force Ghost star 5

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    someone so needs to picture this please!!!


    PS: About the Jedi searching for body debate: the Jedi DID look and DID find the body! Just the lower half that was left behind as proof. the rest is a bloody smear they assumed to have been the very much alive rest that got away.


    or even better: Jedi looked, found both parts of dead Darth Maul and had him removed from the facility. Transport that should take the dead body and the Sith Interceptor to Coruscant dissappeared... thx to Sidious... so he could revive him! Which might tie into the Sith Interceptor vanishing from the Jedi too.
     
  22. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Maul: I fell through fire... and water.

    Imagine that with Maul fighting the Ghost of Qui-gon Jinn, with the Duel of the Fates music blasting... except it ends with Qui-gon wiping Maul of his memory instead of killing him.
     
  23. HEDGESMFG

    HEDGESMFG Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Honestly, I'm a little more willing to accept this if Maul died after Obiwan's bisection but was directly revived by Sidious, as has been suggested. We know it's an ability he eventually has in the EU, and keeping a half dead amnesic Maul stored on some unknown planet until he's useful isn't all that bad an idea, actually. Plus, if Maul died during at least one point, it doesn't invalidate Obiwan's defeat of him quite so badly.

    Sidious lying to Anakin about not knowing the secret to revival isn't anything new either, and makes perfect sense for his crafty manipulative self.
     
  24. Yodaminch

    Yodaminch Chosen One star 6

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    Or perhaps to "cheat death" one must be strong in the force and Sidious just neglected to mention that to Anakin. Thus Padme was toast but Maul was revivable. Perhaps the 'secret' was how to really fully cheat death for anyone?

    Otherwise, if Maul gets to survive being bisected, I'm thinking Agen Kolar managed to survive his impaling in Palpatine's office. And he took off with "It's just a scratch" Saesee and Kit and they went hunting for Mace who, because he fell to his death and we didn't see it, ALSO mysteriously survived just in time to return for the new live action series that GL's producing because Mace is just as cool as Maul. [face_beatup]
     
  25. Daft-Vader

    Daft-Vader Chosen One star 8

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    Defintly... afterall the fight goes away from the office... we don;t see the three "Dead Jedi" actually escaping out the window...

    And getting out and catching Mace...


    *Mace Lives! [face_mischief]