Lit There is another... Skywalker!

We know the worlds Yoda told Obi Wan in TESB and to Luke in ROTJ and that they refered to Leia in ROTJ. Originally Lucas intended the words from TESB to mean Luke's sister that is not Leia and would have featured in the original Sequel plans that were conflated into ROTJ ultimately making it Leia.

But TCW came and in the Yoda arc we learn many things, but the last words the Priestesses say to Yoda before he returns home after one helluva ride and lessons are the very same: There is another Skywalker!

This, taken out of OT context, gives it an entirely new spin! Yoda only knows Anakin Skywalker at that point before Luke and Leia even are born. Was Padmé already pregnant? Maybe, maybe not! With the entire vision journey of Yoda, and the incoming doom he now knows, it could mean many other things as well:

It could tell Yoda that Anakin Skywalker is not the Choosen One but there is another.
Or it says that Anakin is a Choosen One but not the only one!
Or that Anakin might die/fail but that does not mean to loose hope, Luke and Leia will be born and be a new hope.

A lot of the Yoda arc was also about fate and free will. Some paths were described as fated, others though remained open as possibilities. The Whills or Priestesses, Mortis Gods or however you name them, contacted their chess pieces and brought them in position. They fated some peoples lives with others free to decide?

Note the sentence issued is not there will be but there IS another Skywalker! Luke and Leia are not there yet... so who does it refer to? Or did the timeless luminous beings simply use present tense because of their own timeless nature and knowing the future already?

Viewing this sentence in the light of the Mortis trilogy, did the Force beings intend Anakin to replace the Father? Then in their eyes Anakin failed. And that means they need another Skywalker to do that. Mortis showed Anakin torn between light and darkness, and because in this microcosm of the Force he denied to take the Fathers place, denied to walk the middle path, returning to the light (!) he unleashed the dark as a balancing force. If light rises, so does darkness to meet it. He unbalanced the scales and darkness tried to rebalance it by rising. After Mortis back in the mortal realm, he became a father without knowing it and his children (ironic and tragic!) and took control of the darkness he had unleashed by joining the Sith. Only through his children was he redeemed and could use his control from within the darkness to destroy it (and Palpatine). Maybe upon death and becoming one with the Force, Anakin Skywalker took finally the Father's place and will now balance his children and his childrens children.
Cue Kylo Ren who seems to have communicated with Vader as Luke or Rey might with Anakin. The helmet and lightsaber being special and "alive", "giving visions" kinda is unlike any lightsaber ever before it. So Anakin/Vader might use those to contact his heirs. A true father figure guiding both sides towards balance, giving advice to Kylo Ren as well as to his counterpart in the light.

In that case the other Skywalker(s) might be the lineage and descendants of Anakin after all.

Unless, present tense is to be taken literally and there is someone alive during the Clone Wars who is a Skywalker and not Anakin!

ROTS had a planned but not realized scene that might have done a I am your father reveal with Palpatine and Anakin. Might Palpatine be a Skywalker? A Sith'ari Choosen by the Force? Or responsible for Anakins creation via Plagueis directly or indirectly? Given Yodas search for the Sith Master, maybe the line was a hint at who the nemesis is he seeks.

Or did Shmi have two children and never told about Anakin having a... brother or sister?

In the light of Rey and Kylo being like the Mortis son and daughter, does it refer to them? Or is the singular "another Skywalker" to be taken literally?

What are your thoughts on the Yoda Arc and Force Priestesses using this phrase?

 

I think the line from the Yoda arc is supposed to foreshadow or was going to foreshadow something in the sequel trilogy, given the Force Priestess seems to have a connection to the midichlorians/whills and Lucas has stated his trilogy was going to focus on that more. Since these episodes were made right around 2012-2013 when George was still working on the ST, it makes sense to me.

 

I am still thinking about this and the options listed above. Any new insight since last we pondered it 5 years ago?

Since then I wonder if Anakin was a Chosen One, but a Dyad too that did not happen. But with who?

His love Padmé?
His Brother in Arms Obi Wan?
The ever neglected Kitster?
The Filoni choice, Ahsoka?

 

Technically Padme is already "another Skywalker" through marriage

 

Or the Life of Brian version... Anakin is Brian... they took the wrong kid off Tatooine! I mean, Skywalker is a common name in the GFFA according to some Legends source!

 

The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader would be that source. Though Lucas said it first in an interview - albeit possibly a little tongue-in-cheek.

 

I always read the Force Priestess(es) saying "There is another Skywalker" as them echoing/foreshadowing Yoda's final words before death. It's not about the content of the words, but Yoda's state of mind/being from when he joins the cosmic force fully; a vision of his future. After all, the Priestesses have trans-temporal view of Yoda, teaching him as reward for the fact that he will go on to teach Luke

 

This. It was clearly intended to be an echo/foreshadow of Yoda’s words upon his death and transformation into the Force.

 

@ColeFardreamer Grogu was born in the same year as Anakin, they could connect him to this, maybe he was also concieved by the Force but since his mother had a husband no one was the wiser (Jesus much?), i always theorized that Grogu formed some kind of duality with Anakin and partially this may be why he is one of the few that survived the Jedi massacre, as in the Force is protecting him specifically, we also see him have unnatural affinity with Force Healing to a level that wouldn't be seen until Rey finds the Sacred Texts.

I think there's more to Grogu than what meets the eye, right now they are hinting at him being sort of a Tarre Vizsla figure, maybe Tarre is also connected to the Will of the Force in a special way, hence why his lightsaber had such an unique color (in canon lightsaber color depends on the user's soul, so it's not like if this was Legends where he could have gotten a black crystal from a cave on Mandalore), i bet Grogu will eventually become a Mandalorian Jedi especially after 50 ABY when Rey rebuilds the Jedi Order, Grogu would be the equivalent of 9 years old at that time, the same age Anakin became a Jedi.

So i think right now they could make Grogu this "second" Skywalker by making him Anakin's half-brother and the second coming of the Jedi Mandalore.

Of course, this is all retroactively applying elements that didin't exist when the episodes were made in order to account for the future stories that we are going to get, the answer is different if we consider the original intent:

From what i remember Lucas was more involved with these episodes than what he normally did in this stage of the show's run (he stepped back a bit in the middle of Season 3), so if we consider this and the fact that around this time Lucas was toying with the idea of making his Sequel Trilogy, and in fact he proposed his ideas after the buyout when Disney decided to make Episodes VII-IX, then i agree with @Golbolco , this was clearly Lucas hinting at some big reveal in his final trilogy, the entire arc feels like a big teaser for the cancelled trilogy, treating many of the same concepts and ideas, showing us new and strange realms, such as the birthplace of the Midichlorians.

While this is probably the "correct" answer, it is also the most vague, as besides connecting to the new movies, there's nothing that indicates how this would come into play, mostly because we don't know the plot of this iteration of Lucas' ST in detail.

 

While I like the idea of another Skywalker paralell to Anakin like a Dyad (KITSTER!!!) I think it being a green gnome defeats the purpose. Grogu certainly is special in his own right but no Skywalker. Sure humans assuming a Chosen could only be human is.. well.. human lol. Still Grogu and Anakin share no mother (i hope) and merely a father if the Force was at work. But i hope he finds his homeworld and both parents (E.T. returning home style).

But the irony is not lost on me that any other Chosen One Skywalker would make Anakin the Brian of the prophecy and SW a Life of Brian retelling.

Grogu should stay a Mando and not be a Force Prodigy. I do not want Filoni, whose work I admire, to ruin retroactively Anakins story and legacy in that way.



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I mean he is already a force prodigy, just without having fulfilled his potential yet, he clearly already uses the force for acrobatics despite being a baby as well as lifting, choking and communicating telephatically, imagine what he will do as a fully trained and grown Mando with such agility.

Also i don't see why it wouldn't be of another species, the Force doesn't have a species after all and all aliens pecies have midichlorians.

 

I am not speciecist or human surpremacist here.. Grogu certainly has his role to play, but not that of a Skywalker. Why would he be a Skywalker? Even if a Chosen One, why another Skywalker?

A) That defeats the purpose of the entire Saga by making Anakin irrelevant and a failure. Thus a bad choice storymaking wise.

B) Grogu should have his special role, but I do not see it as a pendant to Anakin. If anything, as a pendant to Luke!

Luke was the Last Jedi in ROTJ, did his deed by chosing not to fight in ROTJ and won through that redeeming his father. Luke also was the first of the new Jedi, rebirthing an order. But there were others doing similiar, yet on a lesser scale: K'krukh, Ahsoka, Ezra, etc. and Luke's Order, at least in canon, was massacred. Even if he kinda restarted with Rey, or in OneCanon/Legends his order survived and grew again and again not staying down, ultimately merging with others attempts, be that Force Collector boy, Broomboy, Rey, K'krukh, other Force Cultures like Jensaarai and Witches etc.

Grogu here is a long game, like Yoda longlived, whatever these shortlifespan Jedi may do, he is there to connect it, to keep it alive and to for another 1000 generations maintain it, like most of his species did in the past. He isn't some short term moment of glory superhero albeit having his own adventures and power.

Thus I can see there being 3-4 new pillars of Jedi founded/re-founded and ultimately merging to form a new Jedi Order:
1) The One that saved what one loved from the past (K'krukh, Ahsoka, Ezra, Force Collector, etc.) aka the Path of the Knight
2) The One that killed the past, letting stay dead what hindered the Jedi of old, loosing some but not all dogma (Luke, Ben/Kylo, Rey, etc.) aka the Path of the Master
3) The One that started fresh and evolved and developed based on the dream of old, but not bound by its rules (Broomboy, etc.) aka The Path of the Monk/Philosopher
4) The One that bridged Jedi life with other professions and everyday life keeping close contact with life and people (Leia, Grogu, etc.) The Path of the Leader

For now, Grogu has halted his training and helps save the Mandos. They will be a crucial part we have not seen in the future ST or beyond yet. As much as they have been servants of the Dark in the past, they will become protectors of the Light in the future.
And Grogu himself may yet grow into a Grandmaster role, but even as Mandalore or else, he is a force to be reckoned with. Chosen in his own right.

But still not a Skywalker. Like a Pope is no Christ. So let him have his crusades and protect the Jedi Order for now from outside it.


As for another Skywalker... I have an idea! One that needs some explaining.

First, lets look at Skywalker.
Why do we use it synonymous with Chosen One? Because Anakin was one, because as per Lucas, Leia was one, maybe Luke, too, Ben Solo was believed to be one by Luke, maybe rightfully, maybe not. Part of a Dyad at least, he was important. A dyad of two Chosen Ones? One Skywalker and one Palpatine? Yin and Yang, Lovers, Enemies, siblings in spirit as if twins and yet so different in age and everything, even gender? (lets not forget the Dyad thing started probably outside of mythology references also in part in Legends twinbond of the Solotwins or Luke and Leias).

Now lets look at Chosen Ones in general.
If believing Maz Kanata, seeing the same eyes in people as if that is a hint at rebirth or at least similiar destinies and roles or archetypes to play, what if there have been multiple past Chosen Ones? Fans speculated that often with lots of candidates, from Revan, The Outlander, Bane to else, even dark versions of the Sith'ari prophecy. This is not AVATAR the Bender, but fans like to conflate how that works with Chosen Ones, I do, too. Anyway and regardless if true or not, why do fans think any future Chosen One needs to surpass the past ones? Is this some power ladder or game working towards some ultimate endgame that is beyond the ST? (Supernatural Encounters would agree with that!). So there is another Skywalker. Does that mean another Chosen One? Likely, does that mean another Skywalker that is not a Chosen One but important? Interesting. Both? Maybe.
While I could think of a variety of interesting ideas and plots for such scenarios, lets not make it too complicated. Or maybe lets...


Idea #1) Nellith Skywalker

Originally she was supposed to be Luke's sister, not Leia, but that idea got overwritten with changes to ROTJ.
What if Disney brings in a Nellith Skywalker regardless, that is not Luke's sister? Resurrecting that plot angle in a new updated way, Nellith Skywalker could be Anakin Skywalkers twin sister Shmi did not tell about cause she was taken from her or she did not know she existed upon birth unconscious or something. A whole plot could revolve around learning of her existence, her path through the entire saga without ever meeting her twin and what her legacy is and maybe offspring for the future?
She could be woven into known stories with new added angles and material easily. Maybe bereft of his Dyadic other half, Anakin was imbalanced from the start and thus easier to fall trying to replace his lost half with Padmé's love and Obi Wan's brotherhood and other such but each falling short of a true dyadic experience.
One might even have Nellith Skywalker be hidden as Nashira with the White Current, related to Luke and Leia, but not their mother but actually Aunt! A beacon of Light when Anakin joined Darkness. If she survived till post ROTJ or not (Jedha?) remains to be seen. If she had children with someone that play a role as important as Luke and Leia`s is another interesting idea. So her kids and grandkids may come into play. Maybe we already know these by other names of their father/grandfather only. While I do not want to play small universe, there are plenty of candidates, be that Broomboy, Force Collector boy Karr Nuq Sin (the story of him tied so nicely paralell to the Saga to many other important people, such is needed for the Nellith story to unfold and work added so late to the Saga), and quite some others, maybe even some from Visions!


Idea #2) There is another Skywalker is not literal but deeper! The Chosen One is Carl Jung!

The fixation on prophecy, Chosen Ones and all the religious undertones are a PT addition that tainted the Jedi Order in a certain way, and the Sith in the same with their Sith'ari. What if "there is another skywalker" refered not to a person, but a message of higher importance? Do not fixate on that one guy, or any such prophecy. It will all sort out with or without them? The anti-prophecy lovers will like this. Seflfulfilling prophecies and vague worded can fit anybody horoscopes should be cast aside and that is what the Priestess tells Yoda.. and he tells Luke, who like typical Farmboy thinks: Ooooh.. sister. Of course Kenobi swoops in as a ghost to support his reasoning to get finally rid of that kissing twins debacle he started! If integrating the shadow as Carl Jung would agree with the Force Priestess is key, as thaught to Yoda, then what do we need Chosen Ones for at all? Everybody can integreate his own shadow, and should and no evil can exist or hold sway over anybody anymore. There is nothing one guy can do to change that... even if he defeats the Sith or redeems them, if the galaxy does not learn, they will always return reborn from their own shadows. And the only thing such a "chosen" could do is lead by example chosing not to fight but integrate his own shadow. Luke showed it to Vader, Vader became Anakin again repeating it. Palpatine went down the Death Star fun slide. The galaxy took a couple more decades to repeat the trick and show up in lots of unarmed ships at Exegol... between the big guns and armed ones that is though.

Idea #3) Breaking the 4th Wall

To walk the sky is an analogue of a) Jesus walking over water b) gods walking or driving in their chariots across the firmament like the Sun (Son of the Suns) and c) reaching the highest godly places. Thus a Skywalker is a God, a Son of God, a Chosen One, or likewise. But how can he be? A being created without a father (if true) so high in energy that its body can contain a god or part of gods essence, aka the Force's? We know from Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull and others that normal mortals fail to contain godly power or knowledge and burn out if not ready and able to keep it. A Chosen One though seems to be strong enough to exist with such power contained within him, even if being as oblivious as other beings and not allknowing instantly.
Now if a Chosen One is an avatar for a higher being/god, then it is merely the Player Character of God when playing around within his creation, not from above but fully immersive.
Now now... that sounds an awful lot like Ready Player One meeting the Matrix, 13th Floor, Inception and a hell lot of else. I actually have a longer treatment on this idea #3 in the works for some later time.
Cutting to the crux: What if the Chosen One is a player avatar for a power beyond the SW realm. A fictional universe that incorporates the viewer/reader/listener/gamer in crucial moments as cocreators of the universe. In that regard, there is another Skywalker could mean.. another Force above us guiding events. A player beyond the avatar. Us. The Other thus, is us immersing us in whoever we read, listen, talk about or game as.
Hence, could the other be in another universe/dimension? Could it be that "there is always another timeline if this one fails?"

 

I always thought that was weird because it seems to completely recontextualize the scene in Empire as Yoda lying that “the future is always in motion”