Fanclub Thrawn Fans Unite !!!!! (v 2.0)

I'd have to agree with Vana, I mean I know plenty and am one of those people that just never have and it doesn't matter either way.

 

Jello; you're sick.That was not what I meant. Though privately I find it a very pleasing image ^_^

I've been debating the whole Thrawn sexual situation in my head, and I can't choose between two:

1)Hes totally celibate and still a virgin because it really doesn't interest him; to quote:

http://batcheva.nfshost.com/dotdot00/images/thrawn/ChissLife/ChissLife%2001.jpg

'...such energy would be better applied elsewhere.'

I mean he'd know what to do, so that if he ever had to, he'd be a smashing partner, but...I sense a lack of interest. But hey, thats the Chiss in general. but for 3 trillion or whatever of them to exist, thye had to have a lot of sex...

I prefer option 2 because of my fangirlness

2) He has had several love affairs in what we can class as his 'youth' that were conducted very privately and we will never ever hear about because he was so discreet.

 

Whats sick about finding it enjoyable in PRIVATE?

I meant it was sick how your mind worked.

But so similiar to my own ^^

 

I didn't understand the quote from MGA Jello used. What did it mean?

>>MGA: I prefer your option number one, because of my fangirlness AND the way I think I understand the character. Being a virgin is too often synonym of "naïvety" and "shame" for a lot of people. I don't understand at all. For me, virgin...it's cute, pure, romantic, but also means that this person has principles and do not have sex with a lot of sex partners in his youngness, which is a totaly superficial behavior... and Thrawn is not like that.

Being a virgin doesn't mean you would be a bad partner! you can have a lot of potential and being virgin. I'm sure Thrawn is in this category of people

 

You're such a sly one Jay....

You probably engineered that like seven months in advance....

Gotta watch out for this guy....

 

I'm not saying that there's something wrong with staying a virgin or abstaining from sex, and I'm not even approaching this from an American perspective. But what I mean is that Thrawn doesn't seem like the type to do so. It doesn't indicate a failing in his personality or a lack of honor, but from the man Zahn showed us in TTT, it doesn't seem like he'd constrain himself with such romantic sentiments.

Having sex without being deeply in love is not superficial. Being a soldier, his sense of time is different, and every day could be his last. It makes sense that he would not hold himself back in many areas. If he found someone who shared those same values, I don't see it as being dishonorable. It would be if he used them.

And that's the other thing. For all the whitewashing that Zahn has been doing on Thrawn's background, it's still important to remember that this was a guy who took what he wanted. His sense of honor very much depended on his goals. And let's not forget that he was capable of cruelty.

That kind of personality doesn't seem to indicate a man who would hold to romantic sentiments such as abstaining unless there is love.

What I can buy was that he was too busy for women, or that he considered them a hassle. That is very believable.

But ultimately, this is all fan perception. Who knows? Maybe the Chiss were asexual. Conspiciously absent from Outbound Flight was any mention of Chiss marriages.

 

As a innocent farmgirl who dabbles in fan fiction, I think I shall stay out of this discussion.

Gatling and Jello not a word from you two!

 

Thank You, Jello.

Ohh why do I get the feeling Gatling will not do as I asked.

 

Yeah, cause if both of you did as I asked, my life would be boring and dull.

 

yay my copy of OBF arrived today.... !!!!

 

Vana: What I meant by my 'first option': there are two types of virgin; those who are incredibly innocent and REALLY don't have a clue, and are fumbling and awful lovers. The other is generally a more confident individual who chooses not to have sex, but knows exactly how to please their lover should the need arise. This is what I didn't explain, I'm sorry.

Jello: I do not presume to know it entirely, I simply stated it was of a dirty nature.

Inara:......Damnit I didn't of it from that PoV...you may some very good points....I'm very naive, I'm afraid...*hangs head* I really am too much like Maris...

Lets be honest, folks; how many women are you likely to come across on a mainly male SD in the middle of the Unknown Regions? IF there were any women, they'd be either total whores like Daala OR really butch and probably not very attractive.

Oh, so has everyone read OBF then?

 

I didn't mean Thrawn is a romantic guy. Not at all. The romantic thing is only my point of view, and only concerns some virgins and not all virgins.

I think Thrawn had not the time for this and wasn't interested in love, that's all. He just didn't feel the need for it.

But you can't say it's impossible that Thrawn didn't want to have sex without love. You don't know! Nobody can read his mind, and we never see how he thinks and what he feels. He hides his emotions, so everybody think he doesn't feel anything at all and is a cold and totally unromantic man.
Does "Romantic" for you always means "naïve", "stupid" (I don't know the words to express this... in French we say "fleur bleue" or "à l'eau de rose", you know, when a story is too romantic, in excess, this everyone who is sweet and gentle, with love everywhere, unrealistic story)?

Well, there are too sorts of Romantism. There is naïve, unrealistic and stupid romantism, and another kind of romantism which is more realist. Just the fact to have principles like not having sex without any feeling for the person, for example.

>>MGA: I have the book but I did not finish it yet.

 

Vana,I hope you don't mind that i didn't pm you the conversation at the end of OF. I read you had the book and considered it vain.

i don't think romantic needs to mean naive. That's mush.
From a ceratin point of view and depending on situation ordinary things can be very romantic.

And just because Thrawn does not see the need for candlelight dinners, does not mean he doesn't think they're fun.
I hope.

 

I totaly agree with you, Mrs Lanna. You said exactly what I wanted to say (in vain) with your example (candelight dinner).


>>IJ: did you say to went to Japan? what about cockroaches? I didn't know there were so much cockroaches in Japan! I HATE THEM! how will I be able to live there?!!!

 

...isn't it fascinating that if a nuclear war kicked off, the onyl creatures to survive it unscathed would be cockroaches?

I've also gotten a Pucca bag for valentines day! ehhhh!!! I'm so happy and...owning everything I currently want.

I think I've rethought what my perspective is; I'm not saying Thrawn would abstain totally, but I don't imagine him to be a total nympho. I'm very bad at putting across my own ideas like this, I'm afraid...

I agree with the cruelty; I found Thrawn very cruel in DFR when I re-read it last night.

Vana, how are you finding OBF?

 

Thrawn is cruel in TTT in general. He killed a man just because he failed with the tractor beam, he said he destroyed a whole planet...

Thrawn is not described like that in hand of Thrawn, Comamnd decision, Mist encounter, Tatooine Ghost, Survivor's quest and Outbound flight.

I think Zahn developed his character after TTT. And I prefer the Thrawn he develeoped "AFTER" TTT. I don't really like the cruel one...

>>MGA: I can't imagine Thrawn calling for a Twi'lek dancer in his quarters either...

 

I didn't find Thrawn that cruel, as far as Supreme Rulers go, he was fair. that tractor beam dide deserved to die, he was a moron. I thought it was nasty to start with, until I read it again, and considered it from Thrawn's PoV.

The difference between TTT and most of the books you named were that he was no longer alive, and so we could only have other people theorise on how he thought. In the TTT, Thrawn was meant to be the nasty bad guy we hated, leading the Imperials against the sugar-coated goodness of the New Republic, and so it would have been a lot more apparent that he was an ****.

Essentially, he is the same character throughout; elegant, poised, and always 2 steps ahead of everyone else. I think its just the perspective that changes, for example;

Hand of Thrawn:the Galaxy is in Chaos, Mara and Luke consider letting his clone live, uncertain whether he would bring order to the galaxy, as Voss Parck protests is Thrawn's main aim. People are more sympathetic to thrawn now, because they can appreciate why he followed the Empire; Luke can see the mess the New Republic has become, even with the noble intentions it started with.

Survivor's Quest: I can't remember this one all that well; Thrawn would not have been accurately recalled because it involved the Chiss; they tend to try to forget him. Then we have Chak Fel, who came from the Empire of the Hand, and would think thrawn was the best thing since sliced bread.

In Mist Encounter, He was fighting for his survival, and so the reader will always pity/admire the person who manages to do this until they know them. Especially after Mist Encounter, we are all amused at the way one person has managed to cause so much Chaos.

OBF: I think he is cruel in this, against the Vagaari and their living shields. I understand he had no choice, but still...and he was a pretty talented manipulator back then, I mean, especially with his brother!

Does this make any sense? Well its my fairly warped opinion....

Does anyone know a site where I can find the DFR graphic novel? I have no money but I really want to know if theres a site I can view it for free...

Vana: I see some bizarre right of Grand Admiral passage and someone planting a Twi'lek in his room in a big cake....Do have an msn account? I'd love to IM you one day ^^

 

I think it's just because Thrawn was less developed in TTT, Zahn had to create a "villain". A villain more intelligent than the others, but also evil. And in Command decision, Thrawn is alive, and less cruel than in TTT. And you spoiled me for OF, I didn't know about the manipulation and the Vagaari shields


Hey, I just remembered: Thrawn can like nice and "romantic" things, like watching at the hyperspace glowing stars in the viewport. "Beautiful, isn't it" he says. I'm sure he wasn't lying. He likes beautiful things, he likes watching the stars, and so do I. It's romantic for me.

>>MGA: yes I have MSN ^^ I will PM you to tell you my adress

 

imagines Twi'Lek dancer popping out of the huge cake and begin dancing, everybody shouting 'Surprise'..
...and Thrawn standing in the middle raising an eyebrow saying 'interesting'


I don't mind him being cruel. But then my socialisation took a wrong turn somewhere anyway. I like my men, um, wanted to say 'hard as steel' but I better don't with all your nasty imaginations around
Unfortunately I cant think of any good rephrasing.
Cold like steel?

 

The scene at the beginning with Car'das gave me ideas

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