Timeline of ESB - Luke's Training

Right...it goes something like this:

It has been proven that the faster a particle approaches the speed of light, it will travel increasingly forward in time. It can aslo be interpreted that time is slowing down around it.

The following may have nothing to do with anything, but check this out:

If you bounce a sub-atomic particle between two mirrors at the speed of light (the top mirror reflecting the particle down and the bottom mirror reflecting it back up to the top mirror - and having this particle bouncing between the two mirrors perfectly up and down), and you move this set of mirrors with the particle bouncing between them - the faster you move the set of mirrors, the longer it will take for the particle to bounce between each mirror. Why? Because the distance the particle has to travel increases the faster you move these set of mirrors. As neo-dragon stated with his reference to the theory of relativity, nothing travels faster than the speed of light, and the speed of light is relative in which we measure time. But, in theory, if you can move the set of mirrors faster than the speed of light (like 186,000 miles per second or 700,000,000 miles per hour) the set of mirrors will actually travel backward in time. The particle still bounces between the mirror at the speed of light (I know...confusing), but the particle is actually reversing it travel through time, along with the mirrors. This is because no matter how fast you travel, the speed of light is still relevant. Meaning, if you are traveling at the speed of light, if you turned on a flash light, the light from the flashlight would still be traveling 186,000 miles per second faster than you are moving. If that makes sence...kudos to you

Think about THAT!

Of course we have no means of moving anything at the speed of light because according to Einstein, the closer you reach the speed of light, you will need increasingly more energy to reach this speed, and hence you will need an infinite amount of energy to move at the speed of light. There is no way to produce this amount of energy.

I could go on about how warp drive could actually work but I don't want to bore you guys any more than I have already.

I may not be exactly correct on all of the details that I mentioned above - I am no professional, but that?s the jist of how it works. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me. Going from memory here.

 

Luke doesn't have to be very accomplished at all; Vader isn't trying to kill him. Luke basically gets in one lucky shot while Vader toys with him from start to finish.

Seems like the timeline would be a month at the very longest. Arguing about space travel is futile since the characters and stories regularly defy reality.

 

Well, I don't think there's much to explain about how hyperspace travel works even though it is hypothetically impossible to travel faster than the speed of light. After reaching a certain level of acceleration, the object (a starship in most cases I can think of, except the Galaxy Gun in DE) ceases to exist in a comprehensible manner within the universe and for a certain period of time enters another dimension (hyperspace) that mirrors the familiar universes, but are not bound by all the same laws (gravity still applies based on EU sources). I don't quite know how the faster-than-light travel in hyperspace travel works; it probably revolves around the distortion of the fabric of space within hyperspace or something like that.

 

Basically it all revolves around gravity. The more gravity an object has, the more it warps the fabric of space around it. Gravity is relative to the mass of an object. So the theory with hyperspace or warp travel is not to actually try to propel the ship at or faster than the speed of light, but to shorten the distance between the ships start point and end point by creating a strong enough gravitational field (thus warping the fabric of space/time) around the ship in such a way that shortens the distance in front of the ship and increases the distance behind it. This gives the illusion of traveling very fast but in reality it's not moving fast at all. But of course we know of no way to get enough energy to create the gravitational field thats required, and we know of no technology that can withstand a gravitational field of this power. But who knows how it works in GL's galaxy.

 

i just realized something today ... after Luke comes out of the Bacta Tank, he has scars on his face, but the next time we see him, just before the battle of Hoth, he has perfectly healed ... perhaps it took some time (days,weeks?) for Vader's fleet to reach Hoth?

 

It is a well known fact that Dagoba, every 13.2 standard years goes through something that experts call a "Temporal Oscilation". It just so happens that Luke was on Dagoba when it experienced a "Temporal Oscilation". When this happened, it essentially gave Luke and Yoda free movement through time while on the planet surface, so in effect, time stopped for them so training could take as long or as little as needed. For example, during the "TI" what seemed like 2 months for Luke, Yoda and the Dagoba inhabitants, seemed like 2.5 standard years to the rest of the galaxy. I hope this clears it up.

 

Rise.

 

The explainations about the hyperspace travel time are good and make sense. But, sorry to throw it in here, but what about the elasped time shown in the PT compared to the OT? It dosen't seem to jive. None of the trips made in the PT, especially ROTS lasted weeks or even days, at least not as I could tell. Days get to Alderan, Ok. Days, or weeks to get to Bespin, Ok. But the trips in Ep. II and III didn't seem to come of that way. Heck, Padme got to Mustafar the same night, if you follow the scenes closely. Does Hyperspace travel time just not add up between the OT and PT?

 

As far as Hyperspace goes, in ANH it seems to take a few minutes to get from Tatooine to Alderaan.

After they jump into hyperspace...if I remember correctly Alderaan is destroyed by the Empire and when we go back to the Falcon, Ben has sensed the destruction...now this could have taken place a few hours or days after leaving Tatooine except for the fact that Han comes in talking about outrunning "those imperial slugs". A few minutes later "we're coming up on Alderaan".

I don't think Han would wait for hours or days before mentioning the escape from Tatooine and since nothing happens in between that and the arrival on Alderaan, then it has to be assumed that the trip to Alderaan took maybe 20 minutes...I suppose you could stretch it to an hour..but would Han really wait around that long before attempting to bask in his own glory? Please, this is Han Solo we're talking about.

As for TESB...personally I think that everything from the asteroid chase to the Falcon arriving on Bespin takes place over a few months...then its a few days between Luke leaving Dagobah and arriving on Bespin...then another few days between the Falcon escaping Bespin and the final scenes with the rebel fleet.

 

Han and gang were probably in the Hoth asteroid cave for some time. When they get out of the asteroid field they go hiding on the back of the SD. It is here that Leia asks, "Where are we?" Han replies, "The Anoat system."

They were no longer in the Hoth system. The fleet left the Hoth system with the Falcon sitting on the back hiding. When they left the SD and went to CLoud City they were probably on the outer edges of what would be the Anoat system where Cloud City resides.

In our own solar system it takes light minutes to get to Mars, hours to get to Pluto, a few hours more to cross the Kuiper Belt, then there is the Oort CLoud of comets which extends a quarter of the way to the nearest star or about 1 light year.

So, if they get away from the Imperial Fleet in the outer regions of the Anoat system they would still needs weeks, perhaps even a couple of months to get to Cloud City, giving Luke plenty of time to get enough bare bones training from someone who has trained Jedi for 800 years to survive a confrontation with Vader.

I call that the Miyagi factor. If Mr. Miyagi can take the wimpy Daniel and train him in one month to beat up experienced black belts, then Yoda can train the Son Of The Chosen One to survive against Vader.

Keep in mind it is possible Anoat and Bespin are in separate systems. If that is the case then they must be a binary system to allow the Falcon to get from one to the other using 99% lightspeed.

 

Mmmmh, the only real hint I ever read on that issue from an official source comes from the Lucasarts 'LEGO Star Wars II' videogame. There it says 'Only a few weeks into his training...'. As far as I am concerned, that's the conclusion I came up from watching the movie anyway. So I for myself see that case as settled right now.

 

Most anyne I speak with on the matter go with a few weeks(3-8) it's just a matter of what Han and gang were doing all that time.

 

When I watch ESB I never feel like this is taking place over several months. My guess would be a few days to a week. Neither Han or Leia change their clothes until they reach Bespin. As far as Luke's training... he had a few lessons from Obi-Wan. He wears his lightsaber while on patrol, so I would assume he may have been self trained in how to use it. Yoda only has time to teach Luke a little control over what he is able to do. Also, I think it is obvious that Vader could have mopped the floor with Luke, but he chose not to kill him because he wanted Luke to join him.

Now what kind of training did Luke get between ESB and ROTJ? In ROTJ Luke makes it sound like he hasn't been there since ESB. He must have done a lot of self training, perhaps Yoda give him a book on Jedi training.

 

I think thats exactly what happened. Slave I has a perfectly functional hyperdrive. All Boba Fett had to do was look at his star charts, realize, like Han and Leia, that there isn't much out there, and theorize that Cloud City is really the only place Han could realistically head to. Thus, knowing the only possible destination, he could skip ahead. When the Falcon gets there, Boba Fett and Vader are already there. Seems pretty logical that Boba told Vader in plenty of time for Vader to take over the city.

I would also like to address the 2 year theory, simply by saying there is no way in hell that the Falcon had enough food stores for 2 people, 1 wookiee for 2 years. NO WAY. 2-3 months is far more realistic. I also want to debunk the Falcon could travel at 95% speed of light...bull. If its sublight engines could go that fast, then there would be little need to replace the hyperdrive, would there?

Further, if you pay attention to the body language and tones of voice between Han and Leia pre-travel to Bespin and after they arrive, you would see a big difference. Leia is far warmer to Han after arriving, which could indicate they had plenty of time to get to know each other while on the Falcon.

 

About Han & Leia not changing their clothes: either the Falcon has a [SW universe version of a] washer / dryer on it, or some kind of super-febreeze. It's pretty obvious they probably didn't KEEP their clothes on the whole time though, remember - this is a PG Lucas movie. See the editing room floor of the ranch for those details.

Same thing as far as never seeing anyone sleep in the OT... but we never see them take a leak, either. I mean, come on... do we really need to know how Chewie does his duty? Does he use the 3 shells method a la Demolition Man or just regular T.P.?

Some things are better left un-explained.

Hopefully Luke had some of that super-febreeze on Dagobah, too, if I am right. 2-3 months on a swamp planet and even R2 would notice his b.o.

 

2 months is my best estimate because luke did VERY well against Vader considering everything we saw in the PT. At the very least its a few weeks because Luke knew how to weild a lightsaber and how to use the Force to pull things to him which without struggle (he struggled a lot in the beginning) so I'd say at least a month.