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Lit We need to talk about Oversector Outer.

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandMoffTrachta, Dec 19, 2022.

  1. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    Oh, it's entirely deliberate... :D

    My recollection of this is that we wanted to write this into ambiguity, so there was mood music that gave a sense of what was happening, but that people were free to tell new stories, or we could peform evasive manouvres if it turned out we'd missed some glaring piece of continuity...

    If I was responsible for this (and I honestly don't remember it), then it's a parody of Tigellinus...

    The slightly longer answer, as far as the Ewok-sidekick co-author is/was concerned, is that the Empire's struggling with a massively expanding military waistline, and there's a huge need for extra command ranks - so you have vast numbers of sector admirals, who're essentially temporary but probably retain their flag rank as a courtesy (and many of whom are only actually commanding a few old cruisers and TIE squadrons), and actual substantive admirals, who're very few in number and not much short of Grand Admirals (the only obvious pre-reboot examples I can think of immediately are Rear-Admiral Unther, a retirement promotion after sector command, and Vice-Admiral Pellaeon, a post-Endor example)...

    Your insight serves you well... :D

    Short answers to some other questions...

    Kadir is, as far as I'm concerned, the Moff of Coruscant Security, which is specifically identified as his bailiwick in Empire: Betrayal. The Red Police are a big enough force that they constitute a Sector in their own right. I thought (and this is more headcanonesque) that Bartam might be the Grand Moff of Coruscant, with Trachta being in command of only the surrounding region of space, not the actual planet...

    @Grand Admiral Paxis - I wanted to acknowledge the possibility that Sulamar was simply an incompetent, and Madine is just fasttalking. Jason indulged me, probably because it didn't contradict other options. But certainly, there's no reason to imagine that they're the same Sulamar. Imperial high commanders should be multiplied beyond necessity, after all...

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
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  2. Ithorians

    Ithorians Jedi Master star 4

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    Kadir being a Grand Moff? This is a shocking revelation, very interesting! I always assumed that Kadir acted as head of security of Coruscant, being in charge of a sector (obviously a hugely important one) within Trachta´s Imperial Center Oversector.

    Also, I too hoped to know more about Bartam. His specific role within the Empire would have given some great information to understand the relationship within these co-conspirators.
     
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  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    We do seem to have a distinction between Coruscant and the Oversector in Imperial definitions.
     
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  4. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    And his Father before him, presumably. That in turn would logically make the Kadir family very well connected among the elite of the Galaxy.

    For me, it verges into the realm of head-canon that they're descended from the same Kadir the Taris janitor. Maybe he had a son or two that got offworld and moved Coreward...

    I can't really think of anything more likely than that he was replaced, or maybe retired.


    I remember feeling the same when the Warfare Guide came out, and it was the same logic that made me think that the Moff Grant really couldn't have been the same as Octavian, as he likely wasn't old or established enough by that time to be in command of an entire Sector Army (totally apart from his Naval background, too) and such a large chunk of Space.

    @mbruno, the Death Star was a priority sector itself, from what I recall, which warranted a Grand Moff. [/quote]

    The Death Star Project was a priority sector, yes. Whether or not the finalized battlestation itself and the later Death Star II (and III, and so on...) were accorded the same status doesn't seem to have ever been elaborated upon. Several sources even outright suggest that Jerjerrod would NOT be a Grand Moff:

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    ...if anything, I figured you listing him as a Grand Moff was a reference to the older scripts of ROTJ where the character originally was a GM.
     
  5. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Yeah, it's only mentioned in one of the bonus pages from the TPB, along with some cool concept art. There's a few such Trades that have extra features like that one. It's also why they aren't mentioned on Wookieepedia and usually get overlooked.

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  6. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    @SheaHublin, you’re right! He was a GM in the original scripts.
     
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  7. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Ah, that does shed some light on that particular section! I probably should have asked about it many years ago but better late than never. Just to confirm, not all of the original 20 Moffs did become Grand Moffs, right? We never do see Vanko becoming one, for example, and 20 years later he's still a Moff controlling a much shrunkenn Sector reporting to his former peer, the by then Grand Moff Wessex. Is it safe to also assume that the Moffs we never heard from again like Therbon, Byluir, Praji, etc didn't ascend to Grand Moff status?

    Just the next year or so, the Ghost Prison comic had Tarkin being the only Grand Moff, several Months into the Imperial period:
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    ... Trachta's promotion to being only the second Grand Moff as a direct result of the events in that comic are also worth noting a less significant plot element. All of us are all too familiar with how the later EU continuity could change even on relatively minor details, with one newer work overwriting what was previously established without even intending to do so.

    On Octavian Grant also being one of the original 20 Moffs, if it was the "Moff Grant" that was intended to be him, how does that square with the later mention in the same Guide of many Starfleet officers being able to claim records similar to his?

    I should probably also ask about a similar and probably accidental mention: Teshiuk being much, much older than most of his peers:

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    ...may I safely assume that Teshik should have been pluralized, and thus a reference to yet another established Generational family with a history of Naval service, instead of Osvald Teshik being turned into Barnabas Teshik? :)
     
  8. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Right, that's what I thought you were referencing the whole time. I mean sure, the line from the original Imperial Sourcebook is that all Grand Moffs command at least 2 Sector Groups or the equivalent in other military resources, which would certainly include a battlestation as large as the DS2, but only the actual movie scripts ever say Jerj was actually a GM. Which in turn makes me wonder about the DS3, and the IDMR, and Byss, and so on...
     
  9. GrandMoffTrachta

    GrandMoffTrachta Jedi Knight star 2

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    I made a post about this actually that was sent to the General Question Thread. I don't know how to link it but its on page 306 of that thread.