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Lit What’s something that should be in Star Wars but strangely isn’t?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Galactic Bibliophile, Mar 20, 2024.

  1. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I could have sworn I remembered the People's Liberation Battalion on Eiattu VI being described as socialist, but a check of Wookieepedia only shows "revolutionary." Although it's clearly meant to evoke that general brand of politics, from the name if nothing else. I'd be very curious to know what the postwar government ended up looking like; it's clear the PLB isn't going to be running the show, that's Plourr, but it's also clear that she's going to be making some big changes, so I'd be surprised if she didn't end up lifting at least some ideas and advisers from them.
     
  2. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Thanks for the new info!

    With Eiattu VI i think that's up in the air but it's a nice interpretation, with the Gran and other cultures i feel like while we could make political/economical extrapolations and say they would be technically socialist, i was meaning more like something explicit, made with the full intent of evoking that specific type of culture and goverment, for example we have the Empire evoking the Third Reich, the Republic in multiple eras evoking the modern corrupt democracies (particularly the Bush administration in the movies' case) the Ancient Sith evoking Ancient Egypt, etc.

    I saw some people say that the Yuuzhan Vong were a socialist society, but i always saw it as an anachronism similar to calling the Egyptians socialists, if anything the Vong evoke the Mejica/Atzec Empire (1345-1521) which also can't be called socialist because socialism as a mere idea didin't exist back then, not even capitalism as an idea lol.

    Maybe i just want to see the Jedi fight Space Mao or something.
     
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  3. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Speaking as an archaeologist who works in Mexico, the Vong are definitely NOT like the Aztecs in terms of government. The Aztecs government managed a complicated tribute system. Conquer a place, set rules, demand tribute and ask the people to do XYZ when needed. The Vong were more like "attack and kill/terraform everything".

    I get the impression few authors have really dived into the gritty economic details of what's happening on individual planets. Most seem to broadly resemble Earth's global economy today, as does the GFFA as a whole. The Trade Federation is essentially Amazon. The focus has largely been on the politics (probably because of the star WARs angle), but economics and politics go hand-in-hand. The most we see of economics are the smugglers/pirates and gamblers, like those are the norm everywhere. :p
     
  4. jasonfry

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  5. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Vong are definitely not socialist, but it's interesting that they don't appear to have traders. If I recall their caste system correctly you've got warriors, priests, "shapers" (scientists), "intendants" (bureaucrats), workers, and Shamed Ones. The lack of a merchant caste is really glaring especially by the standards of modern-day class thinking. Also helps to make them feel really alien.
     
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  6. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh definetly their expansion model is completely different, it's their goverment and relation to the theological aspects behind the conquest that are very similar, if their expansion model was just like them they wouldn't be as effective as villains in the Star Wars setting i guess lol.

    Also it's awesome that you work there! I envy you.
     
  7. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    In terms of being a fantasy/Xianxia inspired IP-we don’t see fireball casting or Jedi and Sith literally flying into battle.

    You look at some animes and so on and SW force powers come off as…tame and minimalistic in comparison.

    Beyond that, SW has pretty much every element you’d expect from space opera. Though in which proportions may very.


    The Vong were one-traversing the intergalactic void with all food being likely grown from within the world ships, and even when they controlled a lot of the galaxy-I imagine this same pattern continued.

    It’s probably a command economy in which resources are distributed based on presumed need.

    Did we ever get details about what Vong eat anyway? But I think a command economy works best-though I could see merchant work when it did exist, being a function of the intendant caste.
     
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  8. Irredeemable Fanboy

    Irredeemable Fanboy Jedi Master star 4

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    Actually we did! I don't remember which book was exactly but they ate some weird slugs that came out of the ship, and some soup, kinda standard food, i think they could eat most that was in the SW galaxy too.
     
  9. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah, I figured their ships would produce their food for them.
     
  10. EmperorHorus

    EmperorHorus Jedi Master star 4

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    Probably stating the obvious here, but I assume this aspect of Star Wars technology would have been established long before wireless technology was a thing? And if that's the case it wouldn't make sense to retroactively say now that they have this technology as standard in Star Wars when it wasn't there in previous material
     
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  11. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Social media is probably a thing, to what extent though? Not a clue. We probably won't be getting space twitter and the like, I like to think it'd be closer to the 90s and aughts that things like FOTJ/LOTF presented as an advancement. Its a natural development of the loosening of Imperial restrictions around the HoloNet. I figure remnant Imperial worlds, be it Legends Bastion Remnant, or canon First Order, are in practice probably still stuck in the Space 70s of the OT when it comes to communications.
     
  12. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Though since the ships are living things as well, one has to wonder what they eat. Recycling waste and dead bodies can strech things out a bit, but eventually entropy will catch up without some outsource of energy.
     
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  13. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The Holonet has evolved in its depictions with the internet and Real world communications tech. From basically a radio or telegram service to official TV broadcasts, to something resembling the internet but also TV and film.

    I sort of feel like SW should stay away from the internet too much-it ruins the aesthetic vibe SW has, the space opera aspect-sincerity and a sense of mythic seriousness. That gets deflated with say the modern internet.


    Well we do know the Vong world ships weren’t immortal, and in fact they were dying by the time Shimmra launched his coup.

    That tells me that they are likely one-getting nourishment from the surrounding environment(even in intergalactic space there is dust and bits of matter), as well as very slow autophagy. I expect all Vong tech is basically a self looping ecosystem-external energy requirements must be very low for it to function at all. Though the shaper caste is probably in charge of that.
     
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  14. EmperorHorus

    EmperorHorus Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh god please no
     
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  15. Carib Diss

    Carib Diss Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Goths who aren't evil or morally ambiguous.
     
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  16. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    Too late, the Jedi Academy books by Jeffery Brown and Jarret J. Krosoczka have Facebook and Instagram analogs.
     
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  17. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    While not quite what this thread is about but I wasn't sure where else to put it - I was watching a clip of the Bad Batch arc of TCW with the flying tridroids and remember the turtle tank which was a dual purpose freighter-walker whose main engines were in its feet, and it occurred to me that technically if those both work there is nothing stoping at-ats and other imperial walkers flying around with leg engines and self-deploying rather than being carried by dropships. Or even at-sts enaging in space battles like Zentradi battlepods.

    Nothing beyond the fact it would very silly of course, even for star wars - but then, why do I find those ideas silly when the first two things didn't bother me, and when star wars is fully of unaerodynamic bricks of metal flying around with no visable engines at all because of the handwave of repluserlifts.
    I feel like I am on the verge of a disturbing truth here but I just can't quite see it.

    Sorry I forgot to respond earlier, but excellent points, very true.