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CT What Did Vader Think Happened When Obi-Wan Disappeared?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by jedi_master_ousley, Jan 7, 2024.

  1. moreorless12

    moreorless12 Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 4, 2016
    Its far from definitive I'd agree but again that he doesnt say those things and the way he addresses Obi Wan does feel a bit like he's talking in the present tense,

    It would I think be very Sith like to undervalue the importance of advice Obi Wan could still give, to only value power.
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  2. MaverickJedi85

    MaverickJedi85 Jedi Knight star 2

    Dec 16, 2019
    "This man will never stop surprising me".
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  3. Darkside Floyd

    Darkside Floyd Jedi Master star 2

    Sep 3, 2008
    This scene always bothered me. From Vader's POV, did he even strike Obi-Wan that last time let alone 'kill' him?

    Obi-Wan says his line about striking him down and becoming more powerful. He raises his lightsaber as Vader starts to swing his blade. Then *apparently* Obi-Wan simply vanishes as Vader's blade swipes through his now empty robes which fall to the floor leaving Vader to step over and stomp on them *apparently* thinking WTH??

    It's the stomping on the empty robes that makes me think that Vader has no clue as to what just happened. I don't think his lightsaber connected with anything other than the fabric of the robes so I don't think Vader would believe he actually struck Obi-Wan down. Since Obi-Wan wasn't physically there anymore maybe that's why Vader later said that he could no longer help Luke as in 'I don't know where he went but he isn't physically here to help the boy anymore'.

    Although if Luke heard Ben tell him to run to the Falcon immediately afterward then shouldn't Vader have 'heard' him too? Or perhaps felt Obi-Wan's presence in the Force in that moment?
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    DARTHLINK Force Ghost star 4

    Feb 24, 2005
    Do not underestimate the Force.

    It's very possible Obi-Wan was speaking inside Luke's head (we only hear him for our own purposes) and blocked any attempt on Vader's part to sense him.
  5. lord_sidious_

    lord_sidious_ Jedi Knight star 3

    Feb 19, 2019
    Yeah my impression at the time was that only Luke can hear him, I felt that his soul became attached to Luke in some way.
    I was surprised when Yoda could communicate with him too in ESB and wondered why. Can Obi Wan potentially communicate with any Force user he wants?
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  6. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

    Apr 14, 2018
    As long as their minds are open to hearing him, I would presume so.

    I thought it was an interesting aspect of the PT and the Clone Wars series that communication with the dead wasn't something the Old Jedi Order really knew about. Which suggests their understanding of the Force wasn't flawless (despite what some corners of fandom might think).
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  7. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

    Sep 13, 2014
    Vader is speaking in the present tense of the results of an event that happened in the past. Because Vader killed Obi-Wan, he can not help Luke. It doesn't matter if Obi-Wan died last week or last year. In either case, he can no longer help Luke.
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  8. ThereseAn'ya1994

    ThereseAn'ya1994 Jedi Padawan star 1

    Oct 9, 2023
    It's very possible. +the Sith don't know about Force ghosts at this point. By Return of the Jedi, maybe..but not this early on. Your theory sounds valid to me. Besides Vader was convinced that Obi-Wan was completely finished--physically and spiritually--when he was talking with Tarkin later on.
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