ST What Do You Think Of The Dyad?

Fair points.
There is the fact Ben had to use up his entire life force to revive Rey though. It is the opposite of Anakin selfishly turning to the dark side and unintentionally bringing about Padme’s death.
It does make you wonder why the Jedi didn’t teach it as you said.

 

How convenient for Kylo Ren . . . after numerous attempts at psychic NOPE, emotional sandbagging and out and out abuse. His character is "finally redeemed" I still think the Dyad theory sucks. I still think the Rey-Kylo Ren relationship was badly written and a joke.

 

The dyad is, narratively, the consequence of Rey 'waking up' in TFA and then interacting with Kylo in that film and in TLJ. It's the development of it.

But the potentiality was always there.

There's a 'quality' leap from those films' 'proto-dyad' and TROS, and that means Vader's helmet. ('Vader' was already there in TLJ, attached to their bond: Snoke's ring)

That proto-dyad or potentiality was there before TFA, and the year before that, and the year before that, and so on. (In the comic, a 12 year old Rey feels the rise of Kylo Ren)

Leia feels Luke in TESB and ROTJ and she says when told about 'it': 'I've always known'. And that's because Luke and Leia shared a womb once.

Applying this womb-related logic to the dyad...well, Rey was born the same year Ben was sent away. In the junior novel they are called 'twins' in the force.

The dyad, or its potentiality, is 20 years old at most.

So you only have to pour causality into the mix.

Spoiler

'Death and decay'

'that feeds new life'

In the Kylo comic, Ben speaks about a name he thought when he was a kid. Presumably, 'Kylo'. Snoke approves, and then follows a grotesque version of Yoda's 'truly wonderful the mind of a child is'. 'Children's thoughts are pure', he says.

Here's the skull of a child. Bones: 'death and decay'.

'Is it possible to learn this power?' To harness the natural balance implicit in death/decay>life? It's not so different from harnessing genetics and creating a clone. Only, and since this is about magic (the force) you would need magic or sorcery.

Palpatine mentions the unnatural power of cheating death in TROS.What about the other one, that of creating life? Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew.

What's more, Palpatine calls the dyad 'a power like life itself', but maybe it was that and also the consequence of something else, just like a tree growing from the seed. Something that was made to happen 20 years before.

JJ called Kylo a 'bad seed' once...and then Snoke calls Luke 'the seed of the jedi order'. The last jedi was also the first, that's the metaphor. But then Luke dies. So Rey is the seed; the good seed.

All these metaphors and visuals don't look like a coincidence. This would shift the question to the womb again, and away from the son/clone I think.

(Midichlorians/mitochondria: mitochondrial DNA is inherited through the mother, at least in humans)

Now, Vader was also Luke in the Dagobah cave. Luke's face was under that mask. Luke knew it to be true and the dark side put a mirror before him, although he didn't really understand until Vader told him.

Who is Dark Rey, besides Rey?

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So, the 'dyad', as shown in TROS, is a dark side concept. It's related to the truth, but not to the whole truth (according to this theory)

Kylo knows about the dyad, and so does Palpatine. It also seems to be some kind of prophecy, or a part of it. But I think the dyad as a dark side concept has to do with the tree, and not with the seed. With the result of something, not with what's being developed from its seed.

This would fit with a certain idea of evil: nothing is evil in the beginning. (Just like Satan or Melkor-Morgoth/Sauron) Sith are made by corrupting and twisting the individual, by 'rebirthing' him/her. That's with the sith came after the jedi and from them.

And that's how you lose sight from ideas like the one I sketched above. So you call it 'dyad' and talk about prophecies and myths and power and such. You don't know better. That's the price of becoming 'unnatural'.

What happened was, maybe, this: Ben Solo was reborn as a force twin when he was 10-11. But he went on with his life, he didn't know; and couldn't have: Rey was still in the womb and for many years she was sleeping as a FS.

Then Rey woke up. I think Ben was told or shown off screen in TROS: Exegol Ben is speechless and runs after Rey like crazy. He knew those sabers were there. Besides Rey, only Luke (and those FGs) knew that.

 

The idea of two people representing the same entity in the Force is not a bad concept. I'm hoping that one day we'll get some answers on what exactly it is, and that it somehow ties into the concept of the Chosen One. Hopefully bringing new meaning to the phrase "Two that are One" as in two representing the "Chosen" One, with how they both seem to relate to 'Skywalker' (Anakin mostly, but also Luke, to an extent).

I think it would be pretty cool.

My problem with it is that with what we have the bond is presented and described in a particularly gross and shallow way, and so long as it's played and used romantically, I don't see that changing.

 

The dyad was a fantastic concept and it's a shame they cut so much about it. Palpatine not only being cognizant of the dyad, but actively manipulating events to take advantage of it, would have elevated the coherence of the movie.

 

But Palpatine didn't know about those two being a dyad. He could not manipulate what he didn't know. It was a surprise for him.

For him, the dyad was about power. 'A power like life itself'. And that had to do with cheating death. He had no other use for the dyad. Kylo's 'two that are one' was meaningless for him. There could only be 'one true emperor'.

As for planning ahead...I guess those jedi voices were ahead of him and more or less expected what we see in the film. 'You will take both sabers to Exegol', says Luke. Leia and Ben fading together. Those jedi voices finally talking to hercand standing behind her.

By the way, when Palpatine says 'stand together, die together'...he was trying to kill Rey and Ben via force lightining.

Instead, life force went from them to him. Is that what happens when you try to kill a Ben&Rey dyad with force lightning, at least if you happen to be Palpatine? This would make the force lightning and the force healing related skills, each one the other's inversion.

 

Where is that gif from? That line isn’t from the movie.

 

They shot a completely different sequence of events where he does know about the dyad, and his plan is to use it to restore himself rather than take control of a host body. They changed this only a month or so prior to release... for some reason.

It's from an ILM effects reel with some extended shots and deleted footage. Since the VFX were completed for this scene, it's likely this sequence comes from the cut where Palpatine is aware of the dyad. The reel also reveals that Ian isn't actually mouthing the words "... unseen for generations." They added that with ADR and hoped the shadows would do a good enough job concealing it.

 

In that context, the line "Your coming together will be your undoing" makes far more sense than it does in the final cut. My question is why they would change it to make him unaware of the dyad, and my only answer to that is (if I'm remembering correctly) the leaks kept saying that the writers were unsure of even adding the dyad at all because they were concerned about audiences not getting it. So by the time they went all-in on the Dyad, maybe they had to scrap together a larger purpose for it after having discarded it completely.

 

This is what the jedipaxis guy posted on reddit (around september 2019 I think). Kylo finds Palpatine and

 

Classic Palpatine lies. The audience would have had an easier time following his deception with this version.

 

JJ Abrams does like his cheesy flickering lights, doesn't he? Both TFA and TROS have copious amounts of them.

 

This is very, very clearly what it is. It's meant to get the romance over in a supernatural way that can't be argued with. I think JJ would have been better off trying to humanize Kylo and make him sympathetic, then build some actual romance, or some steamy sex appeal and charisma.

 

My goodness why?

 

RJ literally has said why he 'invented' the force connection between Rey and Kylo and it's not a good look for anyone involved. JJ just seems to have given it a name, but continued along the Rey has no choice in the matter narrative.

 

The dyad concept would have worked better if there was still control and agency involved. That both parties had to enter into it willingly for the power to express itself. If only one was trying, it wouldn't really work.

That way, the power of the dyad is almost a narrative reward for Rey and Ben working together finally. Instead of a way where the force demands Rey save/fix Ben, accept all his abuse and stalking, or be on zoom calls with him no matter what.

This could have also been used as a plot of Palpatine, where he realizes the potential, and needs Ben to turn back to the light (now that would be a weird turn of events lol), or at least be in the same room as Rey to exploit the power.

 

I dunno the concept kind of fits with what we saw in TFA and TLJ. Would have rather they just made Rey related though.

 

I think they will use the Dyad Force Power in the Acolyte Show

 

If so, I hope they explain it better and use it better than the ST did.

 

If they use the dyad in the Acolyte show, all that does is water down the concept. Didn't Palpatine say its been unseen for generations?

This is like the ST saying balance only happened for a few years, and that prophecy of the Chosen One is only for a few weeks of balance.

Making these uber-force events happen every other Tuesday just wrecks them.