What Happened to Captain Panaka????

An order that was planning a coup to take over the government, yes. You have to remember that no one knew that Palpatine was a Sith or even had force powers, no one know who was behind the war, and no one knew that the Jedi coup was only planned by the higher ups in the order rather than every member. No one had any reason to suspect that Palpatine was evil, and therefore had no reason to oppose him. In fact, many sources have confirmed that Palpatine himself didn't even think of himself as evil.

That aside, I don't understand why so many simplistically assume that anyone with a shred of character or decency would automatically oppose the New Order. You'd think that anyone with any sense at all of loyalty, decency, or common sense would remain loyal given what they know. For someone to jump ship as soon as the government swings a way they don't like doesn't speak too much about their integrity (people close to the Jedi aside, of course, as they'd at least have a legitimate grievance).

 

"A few years after Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker's fateful duel on the lava plains of Mustafar, the Emperor realized its potential as a planetwide battling arena for people who were mad at each other. Mustafar was made an Imperial Gladiation Zone, and many people who were angry at each other went there to injure, burn, maim, and/or kill their also-angry counterparts."

That also explains its function in SWG:ToOW.

 

I'm not saying that Panaka was evil; at the same time, his actions were not wholly good.

And I think that after Padmes death, typho would have a cause to at least leave the empire's service...

 

Panaka: "I hate you. I HAAAAATE YOU!!!!"

 

Evil, or a Sith?

Just curious, because the people must have inferred some manner in which Palps could fight off four Jedi after he "exposed their treachery." After all, the Prologue of the novelization (in what I don't really consider a wise move) goes into extraordinary detail about how the common galaxite viewed the Jedi as near-invincible.

 

You're right. I got the names switched up there. Meant to say Panaka.

 

An order that was planning a coup to take over the government, yes. You have to remember that no one knew that Palpatine was a Sith or even had force powers, no one know who was behind the war, and no one knew that the Jedi coup was only planned by the higher ups in the order rather than every member. No one had any reason to suspect that Palpatine was evil, and therefore had no reason to oppose him. In fact, many sources have confirmed that Palpatine himself didn't even think of himself as evil.

You don't honestly believe the Jedi were planning to take over the government, do you? Yes, they decided to take out Palpatine, because he was an evil Sith Lord who had started the Clone Wars to gain power. Yes, they discussed taking control of the Senate, but more in the sense that they would keep Senate from plunging into utter chaos through the ordeal. If you know anything about the Jedi, you should know that the would not rule the galaxy. They would hand control back over to the Senate as soon as possible.

That aside, I don't understand why so many simplistically assume that anyone with a shred of character or decency would automatically oppose the New Order. You'd think that anyone with any sense at all of loyalty, decency, or common sense would remain loyal given what they know. For someone to jump ship as soon as the government swings a way they don't like doesn't speak too much about their integrity (people close to the Jedi aside, of course, as they'd at least have a legitimate grievance).

I never said that anyone who stayed loyal to the Empire had no shred of decency. And you know what you're totally right. Staying with an evil, tyrannical government that makes a practice of oppression and genocide is the only thing a person of integrity would do. You know, those Nazis really had the right idea. Curses upon all the Germans who defected to escape the Third Reich. What a bunch of terrible, terrible people they were. After all, Hitler came into power legally. I hope you see how ridiculous this sounds. I agree that not every Imperial was an evil person, but to insinuate that those who oppose the tyranny and oppression of an evil government somehow have less integrity than the "loyal" sheep is utterly ridiculous. I can see how these thing wouldn't have been apparent immdiately, but over time, they should realise that the Empire was evil.

 

I should note that there's no evidence that anyone on Naboo was singled out by the Emperor, in fact, he seems rather fond of the old place.

Even Padme's family kept their prominence - since Pooja was serving as Senator - which I hardly think she would be allowed to do if Palpatine decided he wanted to crack down on Padme's family/allies.

So, I think its likely that the only thing Sio Bibble died of was old age. Others may have been Rebels, either covert (like Pooja), overt (Boss Nass) or loyal Imperials (Panaka, Kylantha).

A thought...was Jar Jar still serving as Gungan Rep alongside Pooja? Or did he retire and....ugh...have kids?

I can see how these thing wouldn't have been apparent immdiately, but over time, they should realise that the Empire was evil.

Um, you do realise that many Germans still refused to believe what they termed as "Allied Propaganda" even when they were shown what was going on in the concentration camps?

Not to mention the old saying, "If Only Hitler knew..."

 

The Gungans would disagree. Theysa no likey dey Empire.

 

I wonder if the Gungans got so difficult that the 501st used some areas of Naboo as a target practice range?

 

Why do you think the AT-AT swimmer and other aquatic equipment were developed?

 

Actually the majority of the galactic population viewed the empire as a good thing - its atrocities took place far away from the centres of power, industry and population.

 

<i>In fact, many sources have confirmed that Palpatine himself didn't even think of himself as evil.</i>

Do most 'evil political figures' see themselves as evil?

 

I'm sure that's what the Jedi said around 2,000 BBY when they took over the Republic from the Senate. "Oh, don't worry, this is only temporary, it's for your own good..." And, of course, it took 1,000 years of total war that essentially destroyed the Republic, and the near-decimation of the Jedi army, before they finally gave control back to the Senate.

You seem to be forgetting the good things the Empire did (gasp!). It was Palpatine and his Imperial policies that brought an end to the Clone Wars, helped rebuild infrastructure that had been damaged int he wars, restored and expanded the stability of the Galactic economy, flushed out the big business and corrupt senators, tore down the inefficient beaurocracy, brought weakly-controlled sector's under Coruscant's control...

Basically, if you were a human, especially in the Core, you were better off under the Empire than the Republic. Even a lot of nonhumans had it, if not better off, than unchanged from before.

 

<i>It was Palpatine and his Imperial policies that brought an end to the Clone Wars, helped rebuild infrastructure that had been damaged int he wars, restored and expanded the stability of the Galactic economy, flushed out the big business and corrupt senators, tore down the inefficient beaurocracy, brought weakly-controlled sector's under Coruscant's control... </i>

It was Palpatine and his plot that started the Clone Wars. So <i>good</i> of him to end it and consolidate all the power under him.

 

And how many people knew that? Three, four?

 

also in A New Hope on board the Death Star Grand Moff Tarkin informs the Imperial officers that the senate has been disbanded, one of the Moffs pipes up with 'But how will the Emperor rule without the beurocracy (sp?).'
So Palps didnt even solve that, just twisted it to suit his own needs.


The only thing in the Empire tht improved was security and when people feel safe buisness flourishes.

 

Most of what you've said was caused by Palpatine to begin with. So I wouldn't call any of it "good". If he hadn't muddled with affairs to begin with then there would have been nothing for him to correct.

Also, I don't get the impression that he cleaned out the corrupt and greedy. Big buisness was stll there, instead of in the hands of the Trade Federation it was in the hands of Palpy's Chums.

 

"No one on Naboo was hurt at all." I doubt that. I really, truly, seriously doubt that.

 

Well said, Kish. Really, he just replaced the big alien-run businesses with big human-run businesses, and all the alien senators with human senators.

 

"Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some farcial aquatic ceremony!"

E_S

 

this thread to me illustrates why subtext in star wars usually fails. Such a large portion of the fan base can only see things from an outside-universe absolute perspective.

Is Palatine evil?: yes
Do people in the Star Wars universe know he is evil? probably not

Is Palpatine a Sith? yes
Do people in the Star Wars universe Know/care he is a sith? probably not.

Did Palpatine artifically create the catalyst to his path of absolute rule? yes
Do people in the Star wars universe know that? probably not.

Its not realistic for all the charaters in a fiction universe to all be omniscient. People only know what the see, and anything they are told is subject to spin.

Its almost as if people assume everyone in the Star Wars universe seen the same movies and read the same books they have.